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Wording?

by klamation » Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:57 am
Of the 800 sweaters at a certain store, 150 are red. How many of the red sweaters at the store are made of pure wool?

1) 320 of the sweaters at the store are neither red nor made of pure wool.

2) 100 of the red sweaters at the store are not made of pure wool.


OA is B





Can someone please explain why statement 2 is sufficient. Are we suppose to assume that there are only two types of sweaters (wool and non wool) even though the question doesn't specify?
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by pepeprepa » Sat Aug 16, 2008 12:41 pm
Are we suppose to assume that there are only two types of sweaters (wool and non wool) even though the question doesn't specify?
Yep clearly, one option and its contrary make the total possibilities.

Statement 2 is sufficient because given the fact that 100 of the red sweaters at the store are not made of pure wool adn there are 150 red sweaters, we conclude that 50 of the red sweaters are made of pure wool.

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by klamation » Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:43 pm
Perhaps I'm nitpicking, but I think this question is a little unclear. Just because 100 of the red sweaters are NOT wool doesn't mean that the remaining 50 ARE wool. They could be cotton or polyester, or whatever. If it were the other way around it and the question was "how many of the red sweaters are not made from wool" and statement 2 was "100 of the red sweaters are made from wool", we can infer statement 2 to be sufficient.

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by BlueRain » Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:05 pm
klamation wrote:Perhaps I'm nitpicking, but I think this question is a little unclear. Just because 100 of the red sweaters are NOT wool doesn't mean that the remaining 50 ARE wool. They could be cotton or polyester, or whatever. If it were the other way around it and the question was "how many of the red sweaters are not made from wool" and statement 2 was "100 of the red sweaters are made from wool", we can infer statement 2 to be sufficient.
Actually it does.

Number of Red Sweaters = Number of Wool Red Sweaters + Number of Non-Wool Red Sweaters

Simpler example, 10 colored balls, 7 of them are not red, how many of them are red? It doesn't matter what color those 7 are, they are NOT red.

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by 4meonly » Sun Aug 17, 2008 4:39 am
hope it will help

We get 50 from (2), making B sufficient
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by mbaapplicant2008 » Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:50 pm
4meonly's explanation is wonderful

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by amirp » Wed Sep 29, 2010 1:32 pm
klamation wrote:Perhaps I'm nitpicking, but I think this question is a little unclear. Just because 100 of the red sweaters are NOT wool doesn't mean that the remaining 50 ARE wool. They could be cotton or polyester, or whatever. If it were the other way around it and the question was "how many of the red sweaters are not made from wool" and statement 2 was "100 of the red sweaters are made from wool", we can infer statement 2 to be sufficient.
I totally agree with your point, just because they are NOT made of pure wool, doesn't mean they ARE madeh of pure wool... but, we should never question the right answer on GMAT as alot of experts have mentioned, learn what gmat wants and move on. Next time you see a question like this, assume that they shirts are either wool or they are not!

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by ankur.agrawal » Wed Sep 29, 2010 1:54 pm
I always prefer the double matrix method in these type of questions:

Red Not Red Total
Wool 50
Not wool 100 320
Total 150 800

Clearly statement 2 is sufficient to answer d question.

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by alivapriyada » Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:02 am
amirp wrote:
klamation wrote:Perhaps I'm nitpicking, but I think this question is a little unclear. Just because 100 of the red sweaters are NOT wool doesn't mean that the remaining 50 ARE wool. They could be cotton or polyester, or whatever. If it were the other way around it and the question was "how many of the red sweaters are not made from wool" and statement 2 was "100 of the red sweaters are made from wool", we can infer statement 2 to be sufficient.
I totally agree with your point, just because they are NOT made of pure wool, doesn't mean they ARE madeh of pure wool... but, we should never question the right answer on GMAT as alot of experts have mentioned, learn what gmat wants and move on. Next time you see a question like this, assume that they shirts are either wool or they are not!

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thanks for the info.!!!!

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by ankur.agrawal » Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:05 am
ankur.agrawal wrote:I always prefer the double matrix method in these type of questions:

Red Not Red Total
Wool 50
Not wool 100 320
Total 150 800

Clearly statement 2 is sufficient to answer d question.
Sorry , i think the original format did not show up clearly.

Anyways please refer to manhattan gmat guide for double matrix method .

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by Rehtor » Mon Mar 14, 2011 2:38 pm
Just because it says they are "not from wool", it doesn't mean they ARE of "pure wool", matrix method is the way here but the matrix does not consider any other material the question doesn't clarify to exist.


I totally agree with Klamation but I take Amirp's advice... move on.

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by GMATGuruNY » Mon Mar 14, 2011 3:49 pm
klamation wrote:Perhaps I'm nitpicking, but I think this question is a little unclear. Just because 100 of the red sweaters are NOT wool doesn't mean that the remaining 50 ARE wool. They could be cotton or polyester, or whatever. If it were the other way around it and the question was "how many of the red sweaters are not made from wool" and statement 2 was "100 of the red sweaters are made from wool", we can infer statement 2 to be sufficient.
There is nothing ambiguous or unclear about statement 2.

Something is either X or not X.
A number is either an integer or not an integer.
A person is either male or not male.
A sweater is either made of pure wool or not made of pure wool.

In the DS question above, every red sweater is either made of pure wool or not made of pure wool.
Thus, if 100 of the 150 red sweaters are not made of pure wool, then the remaining 50 red sweaters are made of pure wool.
The 100 not-pure-wool sweaters include every red sweater made of a fabric aside from pure wool (cotton, poly, rayon, etc.).

This sort of logic is common in DS questions:

If 30 of the 100 people in the room are not scientists, then the remaining 70 people are scientists.
If 40 of the 50 states are not covered in snow, then the remaining 10 states are covered in snow.
If 100 of the 150 red sweaters are not made of pure wool, then the remaining 50 red sweaters are made of pure wool.
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by akovalev » Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:32 pm
So what about the non-red sweaters that are not made of wool? Perhaps some of the 320 sweaters mentioned in Statement 1 aren't made of wool?

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by dvinoth86 » Sat Nov 12, 2011 10:33 pm