Dear mp2437,
This is probably a better post for the general forum as this is a sticky devoted to GPA issues. Going forward, please post questions in the appropriate section.
To answer your questions, it is hard to truly evaluate your profile without a GMAT score for the schools you mention. You would stand a chance with a GMAT in the 700s and a stellar application. You are low on the experience side but within range for any program. Whether or not you should wait to apply is up to you--if you feel you are ready now and believe you can present a compelling application with only 2 years of experience, then you should apply now. Of course, a high GMAT score will greatly help your case. Completing the CFA will not necessarily help you but will demonstrate your quantitative aptitude.
It is hard to predict whether competition at Columbia for ED will be tougher than last year--time will tell if there is an increase in applications. If it is your number one choice, then it is probably in your best interest to apply ED if you think you can pull a strong application together (including a high GMAT score) by the deadline.
Good luck,
Lisa
How to deal with a low GPA
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Hi,
I have a GPA of about 1.8 in Engineering. This was mainly due to some wrong decisions in terms of opting for an undergraduate course. I realized soon enough that I had no aptitude and involved myself heavily in an organization called AIESEC. This was mainly a leadership development organization and opened up a lot of avenues for interaction with corporates, ngos and the education sector itself. I have held mutiple leadership positions on a national level in this organization.
This also provided me the opportunity to detach myself from the traditional IT job profile mostly people with an engineering background take up.
I am currently working as a business engagement manager in my company in UK and have about 4 years of full time work experience (AIESEC and this company included). I have had the opportunity to be part of multi million pound deals and managing about 10m pounds worth of my companies business.
I am planning on taking my GMAT later this year and start my application process later next year. Having said that very unsure of the prospects and what else could I do to model a winning application
Regards,
KS
I have a GPA of about 1.8 in Engineering. This was mainly due to some wrong decisions in terms of opting for an undergraduate course. I realized soon enough that I had no aptitude and involved myself heavily in an organization called AIESEC. This was mainly a leadership development organization and opened up a lot of avenues for interaction with corporates, ngos and the education sector itself. I have held mutiple leadership positions on a national level in this organization.
This also provided me the opportunity to detach myself from the traditional IT job profile mostly people with an engineering background take up.
I am currently working as a business engagement manager in my company in UK and have about 4 years of full time work experience (AIESEC and this company included). I have had the opportunity to be part of multi million pound deals and managing about 10m pounds worth of my companies business.
I am planning on taking my GMAT later this year and start my application process later next year. Having said that very unsure of the prospects and what else could I do to model a winning application
Regards,
KS
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Dear kestrel123,
With a GPA that low, every other aspect of your application must show you understand the challenge of business school, have the motivation to do the work, and demonstrate you have the aptitude for the coursework. Hence your GMAT score becomes more important and you must do well to prove you have the academic aptitude. I would also suggest you take some courses to build an alternative transcript demonstrating how seriously you take academics now. Lastly, you must have a successful track record in your professional experience to exemplify the motivation and drive you will need to make it through business school.
Good luck,
Lisa
With a GPA that low, every other aspect of your application must show you understand the challenge of business school, have the motivation to do the work, and demonstrate you have the aptitude for the coursework. Hence your GMAT score becomes more important and you must do well to prove you have the academic aptitude. I would also suggest you take some courses to build an alternative transcript demonstrating how seriously you take academics now. Lastly, you must have a successful track record in your professional experience to exemplify the motivation and drive you will need to make it through business school.
Good luck,
Lisa
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Dear Lisa,
I gave the GMAT a couple of weeks back and got a 720. I m looking for a Masters in Finance or a Masters in Quantitative Finance. I have worked for about 10 months after graduation of which 5 months were on investment banking tools. Apart from that I have certified myself in a very small derivatives course called the NCFM(Derivatives)
I have a lot of queries.
1)I was quite satisfied with the score till I saw the AWA which is 4.0. Should I be worrying about that?
2) I have a low GPA something like a 2.8. what can I do to improve my chances?
3) What are the Universities in US and UK I can apply to considering both my GMAT score and GPA?( I am very interested in teppers business school's MSCF)
Please guide me.
Thanks and Regards,
Ashish Menghani
I gave the GMAT a couple of weeks back and got a 720. I m looking for a Masters in Finance or a Masters in Quantitative Finance. I have worked for about 10 months after graduation of which 5 months were on investment banking tools. Apart from that I have certified myself in a very small derivatives course called the NCFM(Derivatives)
I have a lot of queries.
1)I was quite satisfied with the score till I saw the AWA which is 4.0. Should I be worrying about that?
2) I have a low GPA something like a 2.8. what can I do to improve my chances?
3) What are the Universities in US and UK I can apply to considering both my GMAT score and GPA?( I am very interested in teppers business school's MSCF)
Please guide me.
Thanks and Regards,
Ashish Menghani
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Dear Ashish,
Since you are not looking at MBA programs, it is a little different. At many schools, the admissions criteria is the same and they look for the same attributes in the candidates regardless if it is MBA or MS. However, MS admissions is generally a separate office and process from MBA and as such are viewed differently.
With most MS programs, your numbers are quite important so it is good you scored well on the GMAT. I would not worry about your AWA as your essays will demonstrate your writing ability. With regards to your GPA, there is nothing you can do to change it. Your GMAT does mitigate it to some degree. But you can also take a few courses to demonstrate your ability to do well in the classroom. Perhaps your certificate will help here?
As for schools, I would advise you to apply to any you feel are a good match for what you want to get out of the degree program and best prepare you for your career goals.
Good luck,
Lisa
Since you are not looking at MBA programs, it is a little different. At many schools, the admissions criteria is the same and they look for the same attributes in the candidates regardless if it is MBA or MS. However, MS admissions is generally a separate office and process from MBA and as such are viewed differently.
With most MS programs, your numbers are quite important so it is good you scored well on the GMAT. I would not worry about your AWA as your essays will demonstrate your writing ability. With regards to your GPA, there is nothing you can do to change it. Your GMAT does mitigate it to some degree. But you can also take a few courses to demonstrate your ability to do well in the classroom. Perhaps your certificate will help here?
As for schools, I would advise you to apply to any you feel are a good match for what you want to get out of the degree program and best prepare you for your career goals.
Good luck,
Lisa
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Dear Lisa,
Thanks a lot for your reply. I hope you can help me with a few more questions. I am looking for a quant intensive finance program because I believe my biggest strength is my capacity to handle numbers which is a huge requirement in most trading companies.
with my GPA at 2.8 and GMAT at 720 do you believe I stand a chance at Carnegie Mellons( Masters of Science in Computational Finance). And what are the other good universities which also have similar programs and within my reach with this GPA.
Thanks and Regards,
Ashish
Thanks a lot for your reply. I hope you can help me with a few more questions. I am looking for a quant intensive finance program because I believe my biggest strength is my capacity to handle numbers which is a huge requirement in most trading companies.
with my GPA at 2.8 and GMAT at 720 do you believe I stand a chance at Carnegie Mellons( Masters of Science in Computational Finance). And what are the other good universities which also have similar programs and within my reach with this GPA.
Thanks and Regards,
Ashish
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Dear Ashish,
I cannot really comment on your chances as I don't have your completed application in front of me. Your GMAT score would indicate you have the aptitude to succeed in the program. I do not know how long since you graduated with your bachelor's degree or why you only have a 2.8 GPA, so it is hard to know how much, if any, this GPA will hurt you.
As for other MS programs, that is something you will need to research. This is a forum for MBA related questions and as such, my knowledge of MS programs is limited to what I previously posted.
Good luck,
Lisa
I cannot really comment on your chances as I don't have your completed application in front of me. Your GMAT score would indicate you have the aptitude to succeed in the program. I do not know how long since you graduated with your bachelor's degree or why you only have a 2.8 GPA, so it is hard to know how much, if any, this GPA will hurt you.
As for other MS programs, that is something you will need to research. This is a forum for MBA related questions and as such, my knowledge of MS programs is limited to what I previously posted.
Good luck,
Lisa
hi
i am doing my engineering 3rd year (5th sem)
can u tell me whether i am eligible for hbs 2+2 ?
1-what gmat score is req. to get in?
2-what toefl score is req.?
3-how many internship should i do? and where to apply for these internships?
4-in what fields should my leadership qualities be shown?
5-what else is req. to enhance my chances to get in hbs 2+2?
6-do i need to get some part time work experience?
i know that there are so many questions but
YOUR HELP WOULD BE IMMENSELY APPRECIATED !!!!!!!!!
THANK U IN ADVANCE !!! Rolling Eyes Very Happy Shocked
i am doing my engineering 3rd year (5th sem)
can u tell me whether i am eligible for hbs 2+2 ?
1-what gmat score is req. to get in?
2-what toefl score is req.?
3-how many internship should i do? and where to apply for these internships?
4-in what fields should my leadership qualities be shown?
5-what else is req. to enhance my chances to get in hbs 2+2?
6-do i need to get some part time work experience?
i know that there are so many questions but
YOUR HELP WOULD BE IMMENSELY APPRECIATED !!!!!!!!!
THANK U IN ADVANCE !!! Rolling Eyes Very Happy Shocked
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Dear HCH,
First you need to determine if you will be considered with a GPA below 3.0. If that is a cut off with no exception, then the school might not be an option for you. With a low GPA, the GMAT becomes more important for you to demonstrate your academic aptitude for business school. So you will want to score on the high end. Depending on the school's GMAT average, you will definitely want to be above that number and ideally above the mid-50% range to be in the best position.
Good luck,
Lisa
First you need to determine if you will be considered with a GPA below 3.0. If that is a cut off with no exception, then the school might not be an option for you. With a low GPA, the GMAT becomes more important for you to demonstrate your academic aptitude for business school. So you will want to score on the high end. Depending on the school's GMAT average, you will definitely want to be above that number and ideally above the mid-50% range to be in the best position.
Good luck,
Lisa
Dear Lisa,
I'm not sure how to best frame my optional essay about my low GPA (2.8 in an English major). I'm looking at top 50 schools in California (UC Davis), with Berkeley as a possible long shot.
There are a few avenues I could take on my essay:
-My undergrad was at the University of Toronto, where there is no grade inflation and the average grade is a C, so my B- is not quite as bad as it seems.
-I've taken several community college courses since then, with a 4.0 in two accounting and two econ courses.
-I left school after three years (family issues) to travel and "refocus". After about a year and a half abroad in South Africa and Israel, I finished my degree and more seriously settled down (got married, showed career progression in my nonprofit field, etc.)
My GMAT looks like it's going to be about 700, but with a big split between verbal and quant. (99% on verbal, but maybe 70 on quant).
I guess I'm wondering how much all these factors matter, and which factor to emphasize when I address my grades. It's kind of a mouthful to squeeze all that info into one optional essay--is there some aspect of my work and academic that you think is more significant than another when addressing my grades? Is Berkeley too far off considering my low GPA and the six years it took me to graduate?
Thanks for any help. Your other posts have been spot-on.
Best,
Hilary
I'm not sure how to best frame my optional essay about my low GPA (2.8 in an English major). I'm looking at top 50 schools in California (UC Davis), with Berkeley as a possible long shot.
There are a few avenues I could take on my essay:
-My undergrad was at the University of Toronto, where there is no grade inflation and the average grade is a C, so my B- is not quite as bad as it seems.
-I've taken several community college courses since then, with a 4.0 in two accounting and two econ courses.
-I left school after three years (family issues) to travel and "refocus". After about a year and a half abroad in South Africa and Israel, I finished my degree and more seriously settled down (got married, showed career progression in my nonprofit field, etc.)
My GMAT looks like it's going to be about 700, but with a big split between verbal and quant. (99% on verbal, but maybe 70 on quant).
I guess I'm wondering how much all these factors matter, and which factor to emphasize when I address my grades. It's kind of a mouthful to squeeze all that info into one optional essay--is there some aspect of my work and academic that you think is more significant than another when addressing my grades? Is Berkeley too far off considering my low GPA and the six years it took me to graduate?
Thanks for any help. Your other posts have been spot-on.
Best,
Hilary
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Dear Hilary,
When addressing your GPA, you want to acknowledge it is a weakness but really spend the bulk of the essay making a case for why that is not indicative for your performance business school. I think you should highlight how you have done in your courses since and your high GMAT score as being more accurate reflections of your abilities. Additionally, you will want to showcase your quantitative/analytical skills in your work experience through your resume and essay examples.
Don't worry about it too much. If you score in the 700s, present a solid rationale for a MBA, and have compelling essays, then I think you will be fine and enjoying finance and accounting next fall.
Good luck,
Lisa
When addressing your GPA, you want to acknowledge it is a weakness but really spend the bulk of the essay making a case for why that is not indicative for your performance business school. I think you should highlight how you have done in your courses since and your high GMAT score as being more accurate reflections of your abilities. Additionally, you will want to showcase your quantitative/analytical skills in your work experience through your resume and essay examples.
Don't worry about it too much. If you score in the 700s, present a solid rationale for a MBA, and have compelling essays, then I think you will be fine and enjoying finance and accounting next fall.
Good luck,
Lisa
Hi,
I graduated with a bachelors in science with a low gpa of 2. 95 on a 4.3 scale. Thats after getting kicked out of another university engineering program. In the science degree my grades are inconsistent except for my last 4 classes which average to a 3.6 gpa. My last 4 classes consisted of 3 science classes and a stats class. I had death in the family prior to entering university and worked part time throughout university which took a toll on my grades. Ultimately, I was just not ready for the challenges of university and made many wrong decisions throughout the degree.
I have 2 years standard work experience in a bank.
I would like to get in to an MBA program but am afraid my gpa and past mistakes wont even give me a chance.
Should I create an alternate transcript? what would I fill it with if I have already taken accounting, stats, micro and macro econ as electives and cal 1,2,3 in my major?
Also what do I need to score on the gmat to get in to a decent school.
Sorry for the long post...I just have so many concerns to see if an mba is even an option for someone like me. Some insight would be greatly appreciated.
Please be brutally honest.
Thanks.
I graduated with a bachelors in science with a low gpa of 2. 95 on a 4.3 scale. Thats after getting kicked out of another university engineering program. In the science degree my grades are inconsistent except for my last 4 classes which average to a 3.6 gpa. My last 4 classes consisted of 3 science classes and a stats class. I had death in the family prior to entering university and worked part time throughout university which took a toll on my grades. Ultimately, I was just not ready for the challenges of university and made many wrong decisions throughout the degree.
I have 2 years standard work experience in a bank.
I would like to get in to an MBA program but am afraid my gpa and past mistakes wont even give me a chance.
Should I create an alternate transcript? what would I fill it with if I have already taken accounting, stats, micro and macro econ as electives and cal 1,2,3 in my major?
Also what do I need to score on the gmat to get in to a decent school.
Sorry for the long post...I just have so many concerns to see if an mba is even an option for someone like me. Some insight would be greatly appreciated.
Please be brutally honest.
Thanks.
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Dear millhouse,
I do think you can get into a good MBA program. Many folks struggle through college and graduate from a top 50 MBA program. The key is demonstrating how you have matured and are more prepared for school now. Depending on the grades in your calculus and statistics courses, it might not be worth taking those classes again. If you made less than a B-, you might consider it.
In addition to professional success (career progression), it will be important that you score well on the GMAT and put together a strong set of essays and recommendations. You will also want to interview in person if at all possible. I would think a GMAT over a 650 puts you in a reasonable positions, over 680 would be best.
Good luck,
Lisa
I do think you can get into a good MBA program. Many folks struggle through college and graduate from a top 50 MBA program. The key is demonstrating how you have matured and are more prepared for school now. Depending on the grades in your calculus and statistics courses, it might not be worth taking those classes again. If you made less than a B-, you might consider it.
In addition to professional success (career progression), it will be important that you score well on the GMAT and put together a strong set of essays and recommendations. You will also want to interview in person if at all possible. I would think a GMAT over a 650 puts you in a reasonable positions, over 680 would be best.
Good luck,
Lisa
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Hi Stacy,
I have completed my Bachelors in Engineering in 2006 with a 68% aggregate. Now in India specifically there are very few univesrities following a GPA system of 4. My class's average performance was around 60% and i was in top 15% of my class. I just saw the system of GPA in a which puts me in a very unfair scale. Our official transcripts also just say that we don't have a GPA based system. Is there any other normalisation system available.
Please guide me.
Regards,
Siddhartha
I have completed my Bachelors in Engineering in 2006 with a 68% aggregate. Now in India specifically there are very few univesrities following a GPA system of 4. My class's average performance was around 60% and i was in top 15% of my class. I just saw the system of GPA in a which puts me in a very unfair scale. Our official transcripts also just say that we don't have a GPA based system. Is there any other normalisation system available.
Please guide me.
Regards,
Siddhartha
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