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Re: Hilary Rodham Clinton

by ronniecoleman » Fri Dec 26, 2008 3:46 am
zagcollins wrote:In April 1997, Hillary Rodham Clinton hosted an all-day White House scientific conference on new findings that indicates a child’s acquiring language, thinking, and emotional skills as an active process that may be largely completed before age three.

A. that indicates a child’s acquiring language, thinking, and emotional skills as
No issues with "indicates" PRESENT TENSE OK
child's acquiring language ----don't know in which category i should put this in... non parallel to active process...



B. that are indicative of a child acquiring language, thinking, and emotional skills as

child acquiring language compared to activeprocess. .wrong

C. to indicate that when a child acquires language, thinking, and emotional skills,
that it is

wrong

D. indicating that a child’s acquisition of language, thinking, and emotional skills is

participle modifier... child's acquisition of language---
E. indicative of a child’s acquisition of language, thinking, and emotional
skills as
Sorry for again digging up this question!!
but requesting all to check whether i am right or wrong in thinking..
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by maihuna » Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:22 am
Here is my poor construction/reasoning for D:

Hillary Rodham Clinton hosted an all-day White House scientific conference (on new findings) that indicates (a child's acquiring language, thinking, and emotional skills as) an active process (that may be largely completed before age three.)

Here removing the prepositional phrases things will looks like: Hillary Rodham Clinton hosted an all-day White House scientific conference that indicates X as an active process that Y.
So it is sure that that refers back to conference which is singular so plural option C is gone.
Further findings that indicates or findings indicating both are fine, but indicative of is wrong, so B E out. We are left with options A and D. A says that a childs acquiring language...as an active process, is awkward to say the least, because we need a noun phrase working as a subject for verb is,
D says, child's acquisition of language is an active process that... so as acquisition is the noun we were looking for in A fine choose D.
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by hrishi19884 » Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:32 am
I agree, "indicative of" is wrong

So left are A and D.

In A, "child's acquiring language " is absurd. So answer is D
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by mmslf75 » Sun Jan 03, 2010 1:02 am
maihuna wrote:Here is my poor construction/reasoning for D:

Hillary Rodham Clinton hosted an all-day White House scientific conference (on new findings) that indicates (a child's acquiring language, thinking, and emotional skills as) an active process (that may be largely completed before age three.)

Here removing the prepositional phrases things will looks like: Hillary Rodham Clinton hosted an all-day White House scientific conference that indicates X as an active process that Y.
So it is sure that that refers back to conference which is singular so plural option C is gone.
Further findings that indicates or findings indicating both are fine, but indicative of is wrong, so B E out. We are left with options A and D. A says that a childs acquiring language...as an active process, is awkward to say the least, because we need a noun phrase working as a subject for verb is,
D says, child's acquisition of language is an active process that... so as acquisition is the noun we were looking for in A fine choose D.
"INDICATING............. " is actually an adverbial modifier and should modify what is being said in former part of the sentence

Don't you think that for D to be right, there must have been "comma+indicating"

TO INDICATE --> purpose
INDICATING --> effect "adv modifier"


Query 2


scientific conference """on new findings"" that indicates

Here, that refers to NEW FINDINGS ? or CONFERENCE ?

Based on knowledge gathered so far,

Structure type
X prepositional phrase that

The THAT refers to X and not to prep phrase

Pls confirm

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by mmslf75 » Mon Jan 11, 2010 11:35 am
mmslf75 wrote:
maihuna wrote:Here is my poor construction/reasoning for D:

Hillary Rodham Clinton hosted an all-day White House scientific conference (on new findings) that indicates (a child's acquiring language, thinking, and emotional skills as) an active process (that may be largely completed before age three.)

Here removing the prepositional phrases things will looks like: Hillary Rodham Clinton hosted an all-day White House scientific conference that indicates X as an active process that Y.
So it is sure that that refers back to conference which is singular so plural option C is gone.
Further findings that indicates or findings indicating both are fine, but indicative of is wrong, so B E out. We are left with options A and D. A says that a childs acquiring language...as an active process, is awkward to say the least, because we need a noun phrase working as a subject for verb is,
D says, child's acquisition of language is an active process that... so as acquisition is the noun we were looking for in A fine choose D.
"INDICATING............. " is actually an adverbial modifier and should modify what is being said in former part of the sentence

Don't you think that for D to be right, there must have been "comma+indicating"

TO INDICATE --> purpose
INDICATING --> effect "adv modifier"


Query 2


scientific conference """on new findings"" that indicates

Here, that refers to NEW FINDINGS ? or CONFERENCE ?

Based on knowledge gathered so far,

Structure type
X prepositional phrase that

The THAT refers to X and not to prep phrase

Pls confirm

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by sumanr84 » Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:58 pm
Quite ambiguous answers, I am copy pasting one I feel is more informative,

I don't like E at all. "Indicative of" is idiomatically correct in some cases, but not here. "Indicative of" should be followed by a noun.

Example: Some believe that facial characteristics are indicative of personality traits.

The noun "personality traits" is what is indicated.

Example: Are these averages indicative of what a typical family pays for medical care?

The noun phrase "what a typical family pays" is what is indicated.

But to say: "indicative of a child's acquisition of ... skills as an active process" is awkward and imprecise. It's not the skills that are indicated; it's the fact that these skills are an active process.

I see nothing wrong with D. The objection some have raised is that the participial phrase "indicating that a child's acquisition..." might could be felt to modify the subject "Hillary Rodham Clinton" instead of the immediately preceding noun "findings." For a participial phrase at the end of a sentence to modify a distant subject instead of an adjacent noun, it must be separated from the rest of the sentence with a comma, like this:

Hillary Rodham Clinton hosted an all-day White House scientific conference on new findings, indicating that a child's acquisition of language, thinking, and emotional skills is an active process that may be largely completed before age three.

Without a comma between "findings" and "indicating," choice D is not ambiguous.

NO Sub-Verb agreement problem,

D. indicating that a child's acquisition of language, thinking, and emotional skills is an active process that

Refer : https://www.urch.com/forums/gmat-sentenc ... ham-4.html
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by SaraiGMAXonline » Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:04 am
josh_nsit wrote:
ildude02 wrote:Thanks for the link. Do you normally consider all verb's ending with "ing" form a gerund ? How do you distinguihs if it is a gerund or an adjective per say? Appreciate your response.
Any ing kind of verb form taking role of a noun in senetence is a gerund. So it is clear to identify gerunds in sentences like: Swimming is a nice exercise.
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I realize this question is from 2008, but it's a very important one.

Any time you see --ing, you may be looking at one of three different kinds of words!

Take a look at the following three sentences:

1.The dog is barking and is annoying the neighbors.

Subject: dog
Verbs: is barking and is annoying.
NOTE: BE (any conjugation) + --ing --> VERB! (Ex. are barking, was barking, had been barking, can be barking, will be barking... etc.)

2. The dog's barking is annoying the neighbors.

Subject: the barking
NOTE: "Barking" here is acting like a noun. THIS is the GERUND. Gerund --> --ing that acts like a noun.
Verb: is annoying

3. The barking dog is annoying the neighbors.

Subject: the dog
Verb: is annoyig
NOTE: "Barking" here is describing. THIS is the PRESENT PARTICIPLE. Present pariticiple --> --ing that describes.

Another example of the present participle:

The boy watched the leaves blowing in the in the wind.

"Blowing" here is the present participle (NOT A VERB!) describing the leaves. (Did you notice that, in the preceding sentence, "describing" is also a present participle?)

Now, let's look again at the rule that the gerund must be preceded by a possessive:

Ex. The teacher was annoyed that the students talking during class. (INCORRECT)

What annoying the teacher? The 'talking' (this is the gerund), not the students themselves whom the teacher may very well like.

So the possessive is needed:

The teacher was annoyed that the students' (their) talking during class. (CORRECT)

I hope this clarified some issues!

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by SaraiGMAXonline » Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:29 am
Now let's break down the problem:

In April 1997, Hillary Rodham Clinton hosted an all-day White House scientific conference on new findings that indicates a child's acquiring language, thinking, and emotional skills as an active process that may be largely completed before age three.

A. that indicates a child's acquiring language, thinking, and emotional skills as

"that indicates a child's...." is a relative clause (defining the word to which it refers). In this case, "that indicates..." should refer to the "findings;" it is the findings that indicate. So there is a subject-verb agreement error here. We want the plural, "indicate".

Note! This is a common structure in GMAT SC questions!
Subject1 [preposition + noun2 {that/,which + verb2}] Verb 1

Ex. One of the students who are in my class is taking her exam on Friday. The students are in my class. One student is taking her exam.

B. that are indicative of a child acquiring language, thinking, and emotional skills as

NOTE: The expansion of the verb "indicate/s" into the relative clause, "that are indicative of" is an expansion from 1 word to 4, without adding any meaning!!! This is an immediate indication that the answer is NOT CONCISE! You are looking for a sentence that does not delay meaning, a sentence that communicates its message as quickly and clearly as possible.

C. to indicate that when a child acquires language, thinking, and emotional skills,
that it is

"to indicate" is an infinitive. An infinitive has no descriptive quality whatsoever. To+V1 can mean "in order to," but this would not make sense in this sentence. The findings are not 'in order to indicate'.

Also, there is noun written in the sentence to which the "it" in "in it..." refers. Every pronoun must refer to a written noun!


D. indicating that a child's acquisition of language, thinking, and emotional skills is

"Indicating" is the present participle describing the findings. (See my preceding post.) So let's look at the clause (subject+verb) structure:

Clinton (subject) hosted (verb) an all-day White House scientific conference (object) on new findings (prepositional phrase) indicating (present participle describing the findings) [that (here we start a relative clause defining the indication) a child's acquisition (subject) of language, thinking, and emotional skills (prepositional phrase) is (verb for 'acquisition') an active process (object)...

This is concise and maintains subject-verb agreement.

Note also, that the noun (acquisition) is preferable to the gerund (acquiring).

E. indicative of a child's acquisition of language, thinking, and emotional skills as

See B.

I hope that helps!

Best,
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by gmat_perfect » Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:54 am
In April 1997, Hillary Rodham Clinton hosted an all-day White House scientific conference on new findings that indicates a child's acquiring language, thinking, and emotional skills as an active process that may be largely completed before age three.

A. that indicates a child's acquiring language, thinking, and emotional skills as

This option is wrong for the following reasons:

1. New findings (that) INDICATE(S) = The last S should be dropped from indicates.
2. Acquiring is problematic. We should use the NOUN forms of the verbs that have their noun forms.

B. that are indicative of a child acquiring language, thinking, and emotional skills as

This option is wrong for the following reasons:

1. Indicative of X, Y, and Z, where X, Y, and Z MUST be parallel. The three items are not parallel.

C. to indicate that when a child acquires language, thinking, and emotional skills,
that it is

This option is wrong for the following reasons:

1. We use "COMMA + FANBOYS", but "COMMA + That clause" is not correct.

D. indicating that a child's acquisition of language, thinking, and emotional skills is

E. indicative of a child's acquisition of language, thinking, and emotional skills as

=> New findings that are indicative of X, Y, and Z as an active process.

=> If the sentence used "that are" before indicative of, it could be correct. Even after that the last part of the sentence would be wrong, "indicative of X, Y, and Z as an active process" "as an active process" needs a verb before it.

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by GMATGuruNY » Tue Jul 13, 2010 2:48 am
In April 1997, Hillary Rodham Clinton hosted an all-day White House scientific conference on new findings that indicates a child's acquiring language, thinking, and emotional skills as an active process that may be largely completed before age three.

A. that indicates a child's acquiring language, thinking, and emotional skills as
B. that are indicative of a child acquiring language, thinking, and emotional skills as
C. to indicate that when a child acquires language, thinking, and emotional skills,
that it is
D. indicating that a child's acquisition of language, thinking, and emotional skills is
E. indicative of a child's acquisition of language, thinking, and emotional skills as


Quickest approach:

There is split in the answer choices between as and is.

The answers that include as are incorrect. X indicates Y as Z and X is indicative of Y as Z are incorrect idioms. The correct idioms are:

X indicates that Y is Z
X is indicative of Y (no Z)

X indicates that Y is Z is preferable because it's more direct.

Eliminate A, B and E.

In C, the pronoun it is ambiguous.

The correct answer is D.
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