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by mundasingh123 » Sat Aug 20, 2011 6:33 am
The board follows policies that are unreasonably strict and so inflexible that they refuse to discuss permitting leaves of absences even when justifiable.

A)they refuse to discuss permitting leaves of absences even when
B)it refuses to discuss permitting leaves of absences even when it is
C)it refuses to discuss permitting leaves of absences to be taken even when they are
D)permitting leaves of absences is not discussed even when
E)discussion of permitting leaves of absences is refused even when they will be
In B , couldnt the second "IT" refer to the gerund " permitting leaves of absences "
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by GmatKiss » Sat Aug 20, 2011 6:56 am
Mixed with B and C

Will choose C, I feel although being wordy, it gives us the intended meaning.

A, they ( board )
D, permitting leaves of absences is not (discussed --> where)
E, they will ( wrong usage )

Please correct me if i am wrong!
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by aspirant2011 » Sat Aug 20, 2011 6:58 am
mundasingh123 wrote:The board follows policies that are unreasonably strict and so inflexible that they refuse to discuss permitting leaves of absences even when justifiable.

A)they refuse to discuss permitting leaves of absences even when
B)it refuses to discuss permitting leaves of absences even when it is
C)it refuses to discuss permitting leaves of absences to be taken even when they are
D)permitting leaves of absences is not discussed even when
E)discussion of permitting leaves of absences is refused even when they will be

In B , couldnt "IT" refer to the gerund " permitting leaves of absences "
Nopes main subject is leaves therefore,plural and hence, it can't be used to refer to permitting leaves of absences

I am confused between C & D for OA because I am not convinced about to be taken in option C and option D I feel is more succinct.........whats the OA????
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by mundasingh123 » Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:08 am
i am saying it refers to the gerund
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by saketk » Sun Aug 21, 2011 8:13 pm
mundasingh123 wrote:The board follows policies that are unreasonably strict and so inflexible that they refuse to discuss permitting leaves of absences even when justifiable.

A)they refuse to discuss permitting leaves of absences even when
B)it refuses to discuss permitting leaves of absences even when it is
C)it refuses to discuss permitting leaves of absences to be taken even when they are
D)permitting leaves of absences is not discussed even when
E)discussion of permitting leaves of absences is refused even when they will be
In B , couldnt "IT" refer to the gerund " permitting leaves of absences "
I think C should be the right answer... "It" refuses -- pointing to Board. when they are-- pointing to "leaves"..
aspirant2011 wrote:Nopes main subject is leaves therefore,plural and hence, it can't be used to refer to permitting leaves of absences
No, the use of 'it' is correct here. how can Policies refuse to discuss? Using 'they' for singular 'Board' is incorrect.
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by aspirant2011 » Sun Aug 21, 2011 10:58 pm
saketk wrote:
aspirant2011 wrote:Nopes main subject is leaves therefore,plural and hence, it can't be used to refer to permitting leaves of absences
No, the use of 'it' is correct here. how can Policies refuse to discuss? Using 'they' for singular 'Board' is incorrect.
Hi Saketk,

I didn't get the meaning of your above quote......can u please clarify
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by patanjali.purpose » Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:18 pm
mundasingh123 wrote:The board follows policies that are unreasonably strict and so inflexible that they refuse to discuss permitting leaves of absences even when justifiable.

A)they refuse to discuss permitting leaves of absences even when
B)it refuses to discuss permitting leaves of absences even when it is
C)it refuses to discuss permitting leaves of absences to be taken even when they are
D)permitting leaves of absences is not discussed even when
E)discussion of permitting leaves of absences is refused even when they will be
In B , couldnt "IT" refer to the gerund " permitting leaves of absences "
IT can refer to a noun coming after - as we call this postpone IT. However in this case the construction is 'It refuses to discuss permitting leaves of absences'. We can check whether 'permitting leaves of absences' can be the subject in place of IT or not.

It refuses to discuss permitting leaves of absences'
Permitting leaves of absences refuses to discuss IT ==> lets read this sentence, can 'permitting leaves of absences' refuse something....can the subject do this action. No it cannot and therefore IT is not a postpone IT. IT is refering to a subject coming before.

Even 2nd IT cannot refer to what you mentioned (bcoz of singular / plural mismatch)
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by aspirant2011 » Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:26 pm
patanjali.purpose wrote:
mundasingh123 wrote:The board follows policies that are unreasonably strict and so inflexible that they refuse to discuss permitting leaves of absences even when justifiable.

A)they refuse to discuss permitting leaves of absences even when
B)it refuses to discuss permitting leaves of absences even when it is
C)it refuses to discuss permitting leaves of absences to be taken even when they are
D)permitting leaves of absences is not discussed even when
E)discussion of permitting leaves of absences is refused even when they will be
In B , couldnt "IT" refer to the gerund " permitting leaves of absences "
IT can refer to a noun coming after - as we call this postpone IT. However in this case the construction is 'It refuses to discuss permitting leaves of absences'. We can check whether 'permitting leaves of absences' can be the subject in place of IT or not.

It refuses to discuss permitting leaves of absences'
Permitting leaves of absences refuses to discuss IT ==> lets read this sentence, can 'permitting leaves of absences' refuse something....can the subject do this action. No it cannot and therefore IT is not a postpone IT. IT is refering to a subject coming before.

If you are talking about 2nd IT, then IT can refer to what you mentioned. But in that case, the 1st and 2nd IT will refer to two different nouns - thats not allowed. The use of pronoun should be consistent throughout a clause.
Hi Patanjali,

According to you second it in option B refers to what????
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by patanjali.purpose » Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:38 pm
aspirant2011 wrote:
patanjali.purpose wrote:
mundasingh123 wrote:The board follows policies that are unreasonably strict and so inflexible that they refuse to discuss permitting leaves of absences even when justifiable.

A)they refuse to discuss permitting leaves of absences even when
B)it refuses to discuss permitting leaves of absences even when it is
C)it refuses to discuss permitting leaves of absences to be taken even when they are
D)permitting leaves of absences is not discussed even when
E)discussion of permitting leaves of absences is refused even when they will be
In B , couldnt "IT" refer to the gerund " permitting leaves of absences "
IT can refer to a noun coming after - as we call this postpone IT. However in this case the construction is 'It refuses to discuss permitting leaves of absences'. We can check whether 'permitting leaves of absences' can be the subject in place of IT or not.

It refuses to discuss permitting leaves of absences'
Permitting leaves of absences refuses to discuss IT ==> lets read this sentence, can 'permitting leaves of absences' refuse something....can the subject do this action. No it cannot and therefore IT is not a postpone IT. IT is refering to a subject coming before.

If you are talking about 2nd IT, then IT can refer to what you mentioned. But in that case, the 1st and 2nd IT will refer to two different nouns - thats not allowed. The use of pronoun should be consistent throughout a clause.
Hi Patanjali,

According to you second it in option B refers to what????
Thanks for pointing the mistake. I have edited my last post.

The 2nd IT can refer to 'board' making it non-sensical (as there is no other singular noun before 2nd IT).
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by vzzai » Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:55 pm
IMO: B. OA please.
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by saketk » Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:45 am
Hi- I was referring to your earlier post. you said the main subject is Leaves. And 'They' should be used because 'leaves' is plural. But, this is incorrect, the use of 'it' in the sentence is correct. If you read the sentence again please, it says 'they refuse to discuss permitting leaves' This clearly states that we are talking about the Board which refuses to discuss permitting leaves. Therefore we must replace 'they' by singular 'it'--- Saying "Leaves refuses to discuss permitting leaves" is illogical.
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aspirant2011 wrote:Nopes main subject is leaves therefore,plural and hence, it can't be used to refer to permitting leaves of absences
No, the use of 'it' is correct here. how can Policies refuse to discuss? Using 'they' for singular 'Board' is incorrect.
Hi Saketk,

I didn't get the meaning of your above quote......can u please clarify
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by aspirant2011 » Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:55 am
saketk wrote:Hi- I was referring to your earlier post. you said the main subject is Leaves. And 'They' should be used because 'leaves' is plural. But, this is incorrect, the use of 'it' in the sentence is correct. If you read the sentence again please, it says 'they refuse to discuss permitting leaves' This clearly states that we are talking about the Board which refuses to discuss permitting leaves. Therefore we must replace 'they' by singular 'it'--- Saying "Leaves refuses to discuss permitting leaves" is illogical.
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saketk wrote:
aspirant2011 wrote:Nopes main subject is leaves therefore,plural and hence, it can't be used to refer to permitting leaves of absences
No, the use of 'it' is correct here. how can Policies refuse to discuss? Using 'they' for singular 'Board' is incorrect.
Hi Saketk,

I didn't get the meaning of your above quote......can u please clarify
Please clarify on one thing I.e what is justifiable???? Is it the leaves or the board?
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by mundasingh123 » Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:48 am
Hi Guys the discussion has really gone all haywire . LOl and the reason that i created the post has been lost upon us . LOL
I failed to specify which IT i was talking about .
Its the second it and i feel the sentence is ambiguous in that aspect.It could refer to the gerund "permitting ... " which is a gerund
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by iongmat » Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:59 am
C cannot be the right answer. The construction of the sentence is:

The board follows policies that are unreasonably strict and so inflexible that...

Clearly this should be followed with something that gives some evidence about the "policies" being unreasonably strict and inflexible.

C just says something about the "board" not about "policies".

The closest answer is D (though not perfect), because D gives an evidence about the "policies" being unreasonably strict and inflexible.

It says:

permitting leaves of absences is not discussed even when justifiable.
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by gunjan1208 » Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:02 am
A)they refuse to discuss permitting leaves of absences even when : Baord is singular. OUT

B)it refuses to discuss permitting leaves of absences even when it is : The last IT refer to board wrongly while it should refer to leaves
C)it refuses to discuss permitting leaves of absences to be taken even when they are: Perfect - It refers to Board and they refers to leaves
D)permitting leaves of absences is not discussed even when : Dont have concrete answer but I would nto consider it a a contender.
E)discussion of permitting leaves of absences is refused even when they will be : Discussion of permitting....Voila....OUT
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