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All of the tenants except Mr. Baumgardner

by The Jock » Fri Sep 10, 2010 5:47 pm
Source: BTG PQ
All of the tenants except Mr. Baumgardner and she intends on installing deadbolts.

a. she intends on installing
b. her intends on installing
c. her intends to install
d. her intend to install
e. she intend to install

Why E is not right choice here, am i missing some rule.
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by pradeepkaushal9518 » Fri Sep 10, 2010 7:50 pm
imo D

E is incorrect for she
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by niksworth » Fri Sep 10, 2010 7:52 pm
E looks perfectly right to me.

1. Use of subjective pronoun she is required because the pronoun is in the subject part of the sentence.
2. plural intend is required because the subject is plural (All of the tenants).

I don't see how we can have any OA other than E. What is the OA here?

If the OA is indeed E, then some expert may please explain.

Also, @The Jock - Please underline the required part in the original sentence.
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by The Jock » Fri Sep 10, 2010 8:59 pm
Hey Nick,

Required editing is done. I also choose E, but OA is D, which seems very awkward and grammatically incorrect.
we need subjective pronoun she but explanation is saying that we have to use her here.
Experts, please help.
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by ansh.kumar » Fri Sep 10, 2010 10:11 pm
hi,
HERE EXCEPT MEANS "OTHER THAN", WHCH IS A PREPOSTION.
Note that we use object pronouns after except .
EX=Everybody came except HIM.(NOT ... except he.)
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by niksworth » Fri Sep 10, 2010 10:20 pm
ansh.kumar wrote: Note that we use object pronouns after except .
Is this a rule?
ansh.kumar wrote: EX=Everybody came except HIM.(NOT ... except he.)
This example is not valid here because him is in the predicate part. So it has to be in objective case.

Consider this -
1. Everybody except he came.
2. Everybody except him came.

Which is correct?
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by The Jock » Sat Sep 11, 2010 12:42 am
Confused like hell, Experts please help.....
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by reply2spg » Sat Sep 11, 2010 9:57 am
No way D can be correct here. If I am not wrong then her is a possessive form of she. What is the OE for selecting D?
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by DanaJ » Sat Sep 11, 2010 2:18 pm
Received a PM. The correct answer choice is not the perfect answer choice, but it is the best we're given.

First and foremost, the word "except" requires the objective case of stuff that comes after it. To give you an example (stolen from https://www.thefreedictionary.com): Everyone except me went to the pool. The objective case of the pronoun "she" is "her." I saw someone mention the fact that "her" is a possessive: that's very true, but it's also the objective form! Think of an example: I gave her some money. Does "her" express possession? No, it doesn't, but this is still a correct sentence.

So this "except" rule helps cross off A and E.

The second rule you need to use is the subject-verb agreement rule. "Tenants" is a plural noun, so use a plural verb! This means you need to use "intend."

Subject-verb agreement issues help us eliminate B and C.

Now, as I've said, the correct answer choice is not the perfect answer choice. The pronoun "her" doesn't have an antecedent, so we're left wondering who "she" is. Is it Ms. Baumgardner or is it Angelina Jolie? Don't know!
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by The Jock » Sat Sep 11, 2010 6:07 pm
Thanks a lot Dana J for clearing the confusion.
Mea culpa, I should have known it :(
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by niksworth » Sat Sep 11, 2010 10:34 pm
Dana,

So, the takeaway is - Personal pronoun after 'except' always takes the objective form, irrespective of whether the pronoun is in the subject part or the predicate part of the sentence.

I earlier had certain other ideas. Check this link out.

https://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/cases.htm

Look in the section titled Choosing Cases after Linking Verbs and after But, Than, and As

This section describes what case should the personal pronouns take when they follow except, but, than, or as. The analysis has been shown for but and than but extends to except and as as well. The section concludes that use of subjective case in an example such as ours is justified.

Please have a look and comment.
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by DanaJ » Sun Sep 12, 2010 12:56 am
@The Jock: No need to apologize for anything! Asking questions is what we're all about, so feel free to ask as many questions as you'd like!

@niksworth: I've read the article you've sent me and they also state that using the objective case is considered correct. It seems that use of the subjective case after except, but than or as is growing old, so to speak, and I've also found other resources online that point to the fact that "except" requires the objective case: https://www.perfectyourenglish.com/usage/except.htm
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by niksworth » Sun Sep 12, 2010 1:53 am
Right. Will keep this in mind. Thanks.
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