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by 2010gmat » Sun Nov 15, 2009 7:59 am
The United States government uses only a household's cash income before taxes to determine whether that household falls below the poverty line in a given year; capital gains, non-cash government benefits, and tax credits are not included. However, yearly cash income is not a fool-proof measure of a given household's disposable income. For example, retirees who live off of capital gains from an extensive portfolio could earn hundreds of thousands of dollars, yet be classified by the government as living in "poverty" because this income is not included in the calculation.

Which of the following, if true, validates the contention that the government's calculation methods must be altered in order to provide statistics that measure true poverty?


For more than 99% of those classified as living in poverty, yearly cash income comprises the vast majority of each household's disposable income.

While the government's calculation method indicated a 12.5% poverty rate in 2003, the same calculation method indicated anywhere from a 9% to a 16% poverty rate during the preceding decade.

Most established research studies conducted by the private sector indicate that the number of people truly living in poverty in the U.S. is less than that indicated by the government's calculation method.


Several prominent economists endorse an alternate calculation method which incorporates all income, not just cash income, and adjusts for taxes paid and other core expenses.

The government's calculation method also erroneously counts those who do not earn income in a given year but who have substantial assets on which to live during that year.
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by mehravikas » Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:13 pm
IMO - C

Private research companies have conducted a research that proves that the number of people living below poverty is not correct.

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by punitkaur » Sun Nov 15, 2009 3:15 pm
Can someone explain why E is wrong. I can see why C is correct. But I feel E strengthens the argument too.

By additionally proving that the calculations are incorrect, isn't it strenghtening the conclusion that the govts method of calculation has to be changed.

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by pandeyvineet24 » Sun Nov 15, 2009 3:31 pm
Agree C is the best.
in my view, E is just an extension of the argument. The fact that the people are erroneously included in the poverty count, is already present in the argument.

OA please.

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by 2010gmat » Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:50 pm
OA is C but i feel E is equally good as it clearly points out the flaw in the calc done by us govt...

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by heshamelaziry » Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:15 am
I was between C and D, but chose D. why D is incorrect ? seems that when C and D are negated, they have very close weakening effect on the writer's proposal ! any thoughts ?
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by heshamelaziry » Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:21 am
2010gmat wrote:OA is C but i feel E is equally good as it clearly points out the flaw in the calc done by us govt...

IMO E seems to say that the government takes into account other sources of income, which shows that the government method agrees with the writer's suggestion. The first part say that even if a person does not earn any cash during the year; this seems to be at best "red herring" or does not have substantial effect on the argument.

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by 2010gmat » Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:21 am
d is simply an appeal to an authority....if some economists endorse a certain method doesn't mean that that method would be the best one

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by 2010gmat » Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:23 am
my line of thinking : e counts those people as poor who in fact have substantial assets to live comfortably...this shows a flaw in the method and hence validates author's conclusion....

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by heshamelaziry » Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:25 am
2010gmat wrote:d is simply an appeal to an authority....if some economists endorse a certain method doesn't mean that that method would be the best one
But the economists suggested method incorporates all sources of income that the writer suggests. Besides, the argument is very specific on what features need to be in the alternate method. Cosequently, which one is better is not an issue.

Also, economists' opinion should be more reliable that research done by the private sector, because we don't know who conducted the studies in the private sector; could be a political grop that doesn't have the same expertise as the economists.

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by 2010gmat » Thu Nov 26, 2009 9:19 am
hesham...i agree with u that d is out...but in case of E ... we can clearly see that govt s method leads to miscalculation...and hence strengthens the contention that the methods be altered....

E is very specific to the issue at hand....

Anyone from Manhattan?? pls help us in resolving this issue...

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by Testluv » Thu Nov 26, 2009 11:26 pm
2010gmat wrote:hesham...i agree with u that d is out...but in case of E ... we can clearly see that govt s method leads to miscalculation...and hence strengthens the contention that the methods be altered....

E is very specific to the issue at hand....

Anyone from Manhattan?? pls help us in resolving this issue...
In this question, the devil lies in the details.

2010gmat, you are absolutely correct to point out that choice E strengthens the contention that the government's calculation methods for poverty should be altered. However, the question stem asks for something that VALIDATES the contention that the government's poverty-calculation measures should be altered. In other words, we need a choice that will INVALIDATE their calculation methods. That means, simply weakening the government's calculation method is not enough--we have to INVALIDATE their calculation methods--prove them wrong.

Choice C establishes that the government's calculation methods certainly lead to an erroeneous (and opposite) conclusion: Choice C establishes that the government's calculation methods are definitely over-reporting the number of people living in poverty. Choice E comes close but not quite. While counting those with substantial assets will definitely over-estimate the number living in poverty, this choice still allows for some other mistake in their calculation methods to mitigate this over-estimation. (While Choice C does not).
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by 2010gmat » Thu Nov 26, 2009 11:29 pm
got the point.... so we have to be careful when dealing with validate type ques....they are different from strengthen/weaken....

thanks a ton

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by Testluv » Thu Nov 26, 2009 11:38 pm
Yes, indeed. However, I don't think this kind of question is so common as to rank as a type. Regardless of question type, it is always important to attend to the specifics of the question stem, and to follow the instructions as best as possible.
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