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Would anyone be willing to give me an evaluation? I plan on starting my MBA in Fall 2011, so don't plan on sending out applications until October 2010 (I still feel the date is going to sneak up on me quickly!)

24 (26 at matriculation) year old, White American Male
Undergrad Info: Bachelor of Science in Computer Science, Rutgers University, GPA 3.01 (roughly the same in major and overall), with a 3.5 GPA in my senior year.
GMAT: Took in March of this year, scored 750/98%tile, 47Q/79%tile, 46V/99%tile, 6.0 AWA. As far as I can tell this is definitely extremely strong, though I didn't hit the coveted 80%tile in Quant., I can't imagine this posing a problem, correct? One thing I noticed is that there's a lot of information on what to do if your score falls BELOW the middle 80% range on the internet (Notably, it says that dramatically decreases your chances). What if your score falls ABOVE the middle 80% range (as mine does on 3-5 of my target schools); does this dramatically increase your chances (or am I crazy)?

WE: Currently 2.5 years, about 4.25 years at matriculation, as an Application Developer for an insurance company. Was promoted once (started as App Developer Analyst, promoted to App Developer Specialist). I really believe this is where I can differentiate myself. After my promotion, my responsibilities completely changed; I work with the business side to identify business problems that can be solved with technology, and work with them to implement solutions. I've learned a lot about the business this way, work with many cross-functional teams (architecture, development, business), and have taken responsibility as the owner of internal software projects.

Post-MBA plans: I would very much like to get into management/strategic consulting. The most rewarding part of my job is coming up with a solution that works for the business and fits within the budgetary and time constraints of the development team. Of course from here, as an application developer, I spend time implementing the solution; which is less rewarding. I'd like to do more in the way of identifying business problems and coming up with solutions (and also broaden my horizon to stop thinking about everything in terms of technology).

Extra-Curricular Activies: I am on the board of trustees for the local chapter of the Fraternity I joined at Rutgers. I plan and run alumni events several times a year and give advice to the current undergraduate brothers. In college, I held Executive Board positions in the fraternity for 2 years.

Additionally, I have been coaching youth baseball in the town that I live in for the past year, and plan on doing it for the next 2 years (would actually love to do it for years to come, but would rather start my business school career :) ).

In college, I was an active participant in Rutgers Dance Marathon for 3 years, and was named Captain of the event my senior year. This is an event for raising money for kids with cancer.

Questions: My biggest concern is my UGPA. Even though I received a great GMAT score, I am not taking anything for granted and will work extremely hard on my essays. I've put a lot of thought into why I want to get an MBA (career switch), and feel that I can successfully convey sound reasoning for that decision through my essays. Will my UGPA hold me back in any way? I've already signed up for community college starting in the Spring, so I should also have a nice alternative transcript. I'd like to add that I really have no good reason for the low UGPA other than laziness. I worked part time through most of college, but this is no excuse, I was working part time as a senior and ended up with a 3.5 for the year. I feel that I've taken the necessary steps to correct this; ie getting a very high gmat score, and taking classes at community college (which I plan on Acing). Should I write an optional essay just owning up to my low gpa?

What are my chances (do I have a chance) at the following schools? I may not apply to all, but these are the schools on my short list, in this order, with some of the last schools being considered as "safety" (as if there was such a thing):

1) Columbia (plan on applying early decision)
2) Wharton
3) Duke
4) Virginia
5) UNC
6) Carnegie Mellon
7) Emory
8) NYU (most likely to not apply, the school seems very good for IB, but no so much for consulting)
9) Georgetown
10) Indiana
11) Notre Dame

Sorry if this is a bit long winded. I feel that, in order to get a good evaluation, I need to explain my work experience and reasons for pursuing in MBA. I don't want someone (admission consultant or admission decider at the school) to look at my GPA/GMAT and automatically "ding" based on the low GPA.

Thank you very much for your help.
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by Don Wrigley » Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:03 pm
Does anyone have any thoughts/advice?

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by Don Wrigley » Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:10 am
Sorry to keep bumping but it's been over a week...anybody consultants have any thoughts/advice?

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by Sophia007 » Sun Nov 29, 2009 11:04 am
I'll get back with a response.
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by Sophia007 » Sun Nov 29, 2009 11:24 am
Would anyone be willing to give me an evaluation? I plan on starting my MBA in Fall 2011, so don't plan on sending out applications until October 2010 (I still feel the date is going to sneak up on me quickly!)
First of all, I apologize - I've been busy helping my applicants since Nov /Dec is round 2 submission prep time. I think other consultants may have been in the same boat.
24 (26 at matriculation) year old, White American Male
Undergrad Info: Bachelor of Science in Computer Science, Rutgers University, GPA 3.01 (roughly the same in major and overall), with a 3.5 GPA in my senior year.
You have a below average GPA.
GMAT: Took in March of this year, scored 750/98%tile, 47Q/79%tile, 46V/99%tile, 6.0 AWA. As far as I can tell this is definitely extremely strong, though I didn't hit the coveted 80%tile in Quant., I can't imagine this posing a problem, correct? One thing I noticed is that there's a lot of information on what to do if your score falls BELOW the middle 80% range on the internet (Notably, it says that dramatically decreases your chances). What if your score falls ABOVE the middle 80% range (as mine does on 3-5 of my target schools); does this dramatically increase your chances (or am I crazy)?
Overall GMAT - decent score. You should be fine. Your GMAT score will be able to off set your GPA.
WE: Currently 2.5 years, about 4.25 years at matriculation, as an Application Developer for an insurance company. Was promoted once (started as App Developer Analyst, promoted to App Developer Specialist). I really believe this is where I can differentiate myself. After my promotion, my responsibilities completely changed; I work with the business side to identify business problems that can be solved with technology, and work with them to implement solutions. I've learned a lot about the business this way, work with many cross-functional teams (architecture, development, business), and have taken responsibility as the owner of internal software projects.
Great. Demonstrate on your resume your career progression and make sure that you strategically demonstrate the same on your essays. Please do not get over-confident and lazy on your application. It is one of the important factors that will determine your future.

Post-MBA plans: I would very much like to get into management/strategic consulting. The most rewarding part of my job is coming up with a solution that works for the business and fits within the budgetary and time constraints of the development team. Of course from here, as an application developer, I spend time implementing the solution; which is less rewarding. I'd like to do more in the way of identifying business problems and coming up with solutions (and also broaden my horizon to stop thinking about everything in terms of technology).


ok - good short term goal. However, that does not define your long term goals. Make sure you think along the same lines and make sure all your goals align.
Extra-Curricular Activies: I am on the board of trustees for the local chapter of the Fraternity I joined at Rutgers. I plan and run alumni events several times a year and give advice to the current undergraduate brothers. In college, I held Executive Board positions in the fraternity for 2 years.
Good ECA - mention on your resume as well as see if you dive down into this in your essay.
Additionally, I have been coaching youth baseball in the town that I live in for the past year, and plan on doing it for the next 2 years (would actually love to do it for years to come, but would rather start my business school career ).
Great!
In college, I was an active participant in Rutgers Dance Marathon for 3 years, and was named Captain of the event my senior year. This is an event for raising money for kids with cancer.


Again - as I mentioned above, don't forget to mention this on your resume and pick the best 'incident' to mention on your school essay (as and when needed). You'll need to smartly have a strategy for this.
Questions: My biggest concern is my UGPA. Even though I received a great GMAT score, I am not taking anything for granted and will work extremely hard on my essays.
Good. I always prefer that applicants do not take anything for granted or take applications lightly. As I mentioned, your GMAT can offset your UGPA - so you should be fine. Just focus on your application, strong letter of recommendation, solid resume (with no format and grammar errors) and well written essays & apps. Focus on your long term goals - this is one thing you haven't completely thought out. What will you do 5-10 yrs from now? Additionally, focus on an application that demonstrates you as a well rounded individual (just like you are!). Your GPA will not hold you back. What is done - is over. Focus on what needs to be done now.
I worked part time through most of college, but this is no excuse, I was working part time as a senior and ended up with a 3.5 for the year. I feel that I've taken the necessary steps to correct this; ie getting a very high gmat score, and taking classes at community college (which I plan on Acing). Should I write an optional essay just owning up to my low gpa?
You can definitely mention this as 'REASON' but certainly do not be looking to make excuses. State facts as needed. If you need further discussion on this we can set up a quick call.
What are my chances (do I have a chance) at the following schools? I may not apply to all, but these are the schools on my short list, in this order, with some of the last schools being considered as "safety" (as if there was such a thing):
Considering your GPA, GMAT and work experience
1) Columbia (plan on applying early decision) - (STRETCH)
2) Wharton (STRETCH)
3) Duke (STRETCH)
4) Virginia ((STRETCH)
5) UNC (Competitive)
6) Carnegie Mellon (Competitive)
7) Emory (Competitive)
8) NYU (most likely to not apply, the school seems very good for IB, but no so much for consulting) (Competitive: The location attracts some of the top recruiters in the world - just because it is located in NY. However, if you are looking to work for a certain consulting firm that does not come to recruit at Stern - avoid. You need to make sure the school also offers what you are looking for. :-) It has to be a win /win for both the parties. )
9) Georgetown (Competitive)
10) Indiana (Competitive)
11) Notre Dame (Competitive)

Sorry if this is a bit long winded. I feel that, in order to get a good evaluation, I need to explain my work experience and reasons for pursuing in MBA. I don't want someone (admission consultant or admission decider at the school) to look at my GPA/GMAT and automatically "ding" based on the low GPA.

Hope this helps.
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by Don Wrigley » Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:47 pm
What, specifically, do you think makes me a stretch at Virginia and Duke (Columbia/Penn I expected--really who isn't a stretch at these schools?) I figured considering that while I have a below average GPA, it's in the range for those schools, and my gmat is above the 80% range at UVA and at the highest end for Duke. Is it my GPA holding me back (something I can't do much about) or Work Experience/Goals (something I can at least to an extent)?

P.S. -- Took me down a peg about my "decent" GMAT there...in what world is a 750 decent? Even at the top schools, this score is right at or 10 points below the very upper mid 80% range bound...if that's "decent", what's good or dare I ask great?

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by Sophia007 » Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:27 pm
Hi Don,

GMAT score overall is good. However, your QUANT score is 'decent' - by the standards of applicant and number of applicants that apply to the schools. A difference between 47 - 51 on math counts. MBA is all about quant. I'm stating facts here, I'm not trying to discourage. Overall score is pretty good, but the only time you'll hear me say 'good' is if you've scored an 800. I just have my own scale and standards. ]

Okay - this is where your overall GMAT score help you out. Make sure you answer the 'optional' part of the question for this. Do not leave that question blank! This is where you discuss your Avg. GPA...and focus on GMAT. The positive side of things.

Take my recommendations with a grain of salt. Do not take my feedback personally. These are facts - I'm a straight talker. I've seen applicants score a 750 and not giving in enough effort on the application side - just because they scored 'good' on gmat. Just don't slip off - you can pull this off if you do it the right way - get to your apps asap as you have barely 5-6 weeks before second round deadlines for most of the school. I'm sure you'll accomplish your goals...enjoy the process!

Good Luck.
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by Don Wrigley » Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:36 pm
I appreciate the advice, even though I think you are slightly harsh, but anything below an 800 gmat is not 'good'? Come on...that just borders on ridiculous. If your point is to get people to understand not to take anything for granted and make sure they work on all facets of their application to the best of their ability, I'm sure you can find a way to say that without saying that the only 'good' gmat score is an 800; after all, we are all adults here.

But thanks for your advice--I do understand the importance of essays, recommendations, and the resume, I'll be sure not to take anything for granted (when I apply in Fall 2011, as stated in the original post, I'm not rushing to hand in applications for Fall 2010).

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by Sophia007 » Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:39 pm
Hi Don,

I appreciate the feedback. Yes - I can be 'slightly' harsh at times. However, I've been an admissions consultant for over 6-7 yrs now and even Adults need a reality check from time to time.

Overall - I hope I was able to help you out.

Good Luck on the applications.

-S
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