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by shrutib » Thu May 31, 2012 5:49 pm
Despite the legal arguments of <Robert and I, the zoning board approved > the new housing project befor it adjourned.

1. same as above
2. Robert and I, the zoning board had approved.
3. Robert and me, the zoning board approved.
4. Robert and me, the zoning board had approved.
5.Robert and me the zoning board approved.

How to choose between me and I?

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by mathbyvemuri » Thu May 31, 2012 6:32 pm
rule: when a pronoun is connected by a conjunction (and, or etc) with some other word in objective case (Robert in this case), it must also be in objective case (me in this case).
Answer "4"
Note: here Robert and me are of objective case and zoning board is of subjective case
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by eagleeye » Thu May 31, 2012 7:12 pm
Hi shrutib:

I am going to tell you how I decide so that it sticks for good.

You just need to remember 3 rules:

First: If the Pronoun is the subject, use I, He, She, We etc.
Examples: These are all grammatically correct.

John is going.
We are going.
I am going.
She is going.
She and I are going.
John and I are going.

Rule 2: If the pronoun is the object, use me, him, her, us etc.

Examples:
The dog was following me.
The dog was following John.
The dog was following John and me.
We looked after Karen and her.

Rule 3: If the pronoun comes after a preposition, use the objective case (as in Rule 2)

Examples: (I have underlined the preposition)

Between you and me, this never happened.
This ribbon belongs to me.

So, for the example you provided, you should use.....can you guess? Right.

The correct option is me. since it comes after the preposition "of"
"Despite the legal arguments of Robert and me"

By the way the correct answer should be 3

Let me know if this helps :)
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by ankita1709 » Thu May 31, 2012 7:22 pm
mathbyvemuri wrote:rule: when a pronoun is connected by a conjunction (and, or etc) with some other word in objective case (Robert in this case), it must also be in objective case (me in this case).
Answer "4"
Note: here Robert and me are of objective case and zoning board is of subjective case
I would like to correct you. It is not necessary that it has to be me when connected to a conjunction
FOr eg: Robert and I went for dinner last night--> Correct

But the other rule is whenever followed by a preposition, we use me
So
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by dhonu121 » Thu May 31, 2012 10:04 pm
I am not able to understand how we are going to use "me" rather than "I".The preposition rule suggested by eagleeye above would seem correct, but why is then Robert used in subject mood and "me" in object mood.
On the contrary, parallelism requires that and should connect logically equal elements, and hence both ends of and should connect logically similar elements.
Hence, in my understanding Robert and I should be correct.
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by eagleeye » Thu May 31, 2012 10:53 pm
dhonu121 wrote:I am not able to understand how we are going to use "me" rather than "I".The preposition rule suggested by eagleeye above would seem correct, but why is then Robert used in subject mood and "me" in object mood.
On the contrary, parallelism requires that and should connect logically equal elements, and hence both ends of and should connect logically similar elements.
Hence, in my understanding Robert and I should be correct.
Hi dhonu121:
Your confusion arises from thinking that Robert is used in the subjective case. In this sentence, Robert is used in the objective as well. The preposition applies to both Robert and me.

Check the following example with the preposition by:

The legal arguments given by Robert were not persuasive. Here Robert is in the objective case.
The legal arguments given by me were not persuasive. Here "me" is in the objective case.
The legal arguments given by Robert and me were not persuasive.

Using the rules I laid down won't fail you.

Let me know if this helps :)
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by dhonu121 » Thu May 31, 2012 11:16 pm
hmm..Good point..
So, first person name remains same in subject as well as in object case. In possessive case it becomes 's.
Where as for first person personal noun such as I, the object becomes me and possesive becomes my.
This catch ruined this thing for me.

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by mathbyvemuri » Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:08 am
ankita1709 wrote: I would like to correct you. It is not necessary that it has to be me when connected to a conjunction
FOr eg: Robert and I went for dinner last night--> Correct

But the other rule is whenever followed by a preposition, we use me
So
You did not get me completely. In your example "Robert and I went...", "Robert and I" are related to subjective case. But, the rule mentioned in my explanation is for objective case. If one pronoun connected by the conjunction is in objective case ("Robert" in the original Q), then the other pronoun must also be in the objective case(that's why, "me" but not "I"). I think you got my point. Of course, the answer is "3" . In option 4, there is a disagreement with verb form.
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by confuse mind » Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:48 pm
Why not - 4?

'had'....looks correct since it happens before the other action mentioned in the sentence - adjourned
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