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by lunarpower » Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:33 am
pemdas wrote:Then if human thought process cannot be broken down with scientific pieces and structured in the logical way where is the guarantee that GMAT CR was composed in the right way?
the guarantee comes from the fact that the problems have to pass the "experimental" stage with the right kind of statistics. if a CR problem indeed relied on something that was random, or not "composed in the right way", then it would fail the experimental stage and be tossed from the exam.
It's not likely that GMAT makers bring such a subjectivity to their exam. I still believe that there is no reason to lead GMAT aspirants to superstitious beliefs about the logical reasoning part of exam. By the way your example of human walking might be interpreted differently by different populations - chin-and-chest up Englishman's walking might be expressed as vigorous foot-staging by Latin Americans who are more relaxed physically.
this is not an objection to my point; in fact, it's an illustration of my point. both the english and the latin americans would make such a judgment intuitively; they would not consciously progress down a list of explicit rules governing how to judge a walking gait.

also, what about the example of OG12 #109 (among countless others) above?
it's a concrete fact that this problem requires the common-sense extension of "if people are likely to be caught doing something, they'll be less likely to do it". all of the logical structures in the world aren't going to give you that point; you have to use real-world common sense.
@Ron, I see you have aced the style of GMAT through many years of productive tutoring career and now switched to automatism in thinking over CR entries. The latter is not the same as intuition which will inevitably lead the inexperienced test taker to choose a wrong answer.
... except this isn't true.
this is the last post on which i will argue about this, because it's a fact: the CR section is designed to work solely on the power of normal human reasoning. there's no special academic training and no special "gmat logic" required; indeed, this is the whole point.
Ron has been teaching various standardized tests for 20 years.

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by sunman » Mon Apr 16, 2012 6:47 am
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sunman wrote:Yeah, to be honest - to this day I still don't understand how you can "study" for RC and CR...

I just focus on quant and SC, and allow my inherent deductive abilities to take over on RC and CR...
is your notion of "inherent abilities" standing close to "gut" feeling? If so, a few mistakes will occur in the verbal section by applying "gut" feeling, as one will be directed by emotions and not literal translation of the CR stimuli and RC passage texts into logical structures.
Well, I scored a 730, so must be doing something right. Emotions do not come into play. However, if you have insight on how I can score a 760, I definitely welcome it.

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by AbhiJ » Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:20 am
Powerscore CR is to Critical Reasoning what MGMAT Advanced Quant is to Quant. Both books try to provide a template/structure respectively even though things will never fit 100% in neat templates.
GMAT Writers donot consult these books before writing questions. Rather GMAT Prep books are based on GMAT Questions. You need to cherry pick strategies from the books and see for yourself what make sense and what does not. At the end of the day to get a 760 you need to develop your own strategies.

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by pemdas » Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:29 pm
AbhiJ wrote:Powerscore CR is to Critical Reasoning what MGMAT Advanced Quant is to Quant. Both books try to provide a template/structure respectively even though things will never fit 100% in neat templates.
GMAT Writers donot consult these books before writing questions. Rather GMAT Prep books are based on GMAT Questions. You need to cherry pick strategies from the books and see for yourself what make sense and what does not. At the end of the day to get a 760 you need to develop your own strategies.
mate, Ron just explained the opposite of what you have said. The math can be decomposed and structured in terms of x,y,z etc. and could be mastered with applying of advanced problem solving skills. The CR based on human reasoning embraces not only logic described in PowerScore book but covers much more and perhaps consulting with PowerScore book will qualify our inherent understanding and ability to reason the issues. No book in the world may decipher our human-being reasoning and here I agree with honorable Ron. We will make ourselves only qualified by relying solely on the application of reasoning tools described in logic books. We must use our brains.
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by thulsy » Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:57 am
I think Ron made an awesome point here.
Regarding "gut feeling" or intuition, my understanding is that to make judgement/decision in limbic brains, (not our human neocortex), which corresponds to the centric "WHY" level of the so-called "golden circle".
https://www.ted.com/talks/simon_sinek_ho ... ction.html

Yes, that limbic brain is the part that dictates our feelings and decision-making (the decision-making on a GMAT problem!), and has no capacity for language. So I agree with Ron that we should not discard or inhibit our intuition (common sense) in making a decision in GMAT CR.

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pemdas wrote:is your notion of "inherent abilities" standing close to "gut" feeling? If so, a few mistakes will occur in the verbal section by applying "gut" feeling, as one will be directed by emotions and not literal translation of the CR stimuli and RC passage texts into logical structures.
it's unlikely that "emotions" will become involved, since these passages are about topics that are as unemotional as topics can possibly be.

the problem here is that you're confusing intuition with emotion. they aren't the same. in order to process ANY reasonably complex system adequately, humans have to use intuition -- our brains just don't have a fast enough "clock speed" to apply rules to everything all the time, and/or we don't understand what the rules even are but can still reason by analogy.