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Product of abc

by manik11 » Tue Dec 29, 2015 6:00 am
a, b, and c are three distinct positive integers. What is the product abc?

1) a + b + c = 7
2) ab + bc + ca = 14

OA : D
Source : Veritas Prep

I proved the sufficiency of Statement 1 by testing numbers , but had a difficult time figuring how Statement 2 is sufficient. Expert , could you please help me with this one?
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by Brent@GMATPrepNow » Tue Dec 29, 2015 6:32 am
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by manik11 » Tue Dec 29, 2015 6:45 am
Brent@GMATPrepNow wrote:Some nice solutions here - https://www.beatthegmat.com/three-distin ... 88224.html
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by GMATGuruNY » Tue Dec 29, 2015 9:01 am
manik11 wrote:a, b, and c are three distinct positive integers. What is the product abc?

1) a + b + c = 7
2) ab + bc + ca = 14
Statement 1:
Test the SMALLEST POSSIBLE CASE.
If the three distinct positive integers are 1, 2 and 3, then their sum is 6.
Too small.
Test the NEXT GREATEST CASE.
If the three distinct positive integers are 1, 2 and 4, then their sum is 7.
This works.
If we increase any of the three values, then their sum will EXCEED 7.
Thus, the three distinct positive integers must be 1, 2 and 4, implying that their product = 1*2*4 = 8.
SUFFICIENT.

Statement 2:
Since the two statements cannot contradict each other, the one case that satisfies statement 1 -- 1, 2 and 4 -- must also satisfy statement 2.
Implication:
If the three distinct positive integers are 1, 2 and 4, then ab + bc + ca = 14.
If we decrease 4 to 3, then the value of ab + bc + ca will decrease.
If we increase any of the three values, then the value of ab + bc + ca will increase.
Thus, the one case that satisfies statement 1 -- 1, 2 and 4 -- must also be the ONLY case that will satisfy statement 2.
Thus, the three distinct positive integers must be 1, 2 and 4, implying that their product = 1*2*4 = 8.
SUFFICIENT.

The correct answer is D.
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by Azzaya » Sun Jul 23, 2017 6:40 am
GMATGuruNY wrote:
manik11 wrote:a, b, and c are three distinct positive integers. What is the product abc?

1) a + b + c = 7
2) ab + bc + ca = 14
Statement 1:
Test the SMALLEST POSSIBLE CASE.
If the three distinct positive integers are 1, 2 and 3, then their sum is 6.
Too small.
Test the NEXT GREATEST CASE.
If the three distinct positive integers are 1, 2 and 4, then their sum is 7.
This works.
If we increase any of the three values, then their sum will EXCEED 7.
Thus, the three distinct positive integers must be 1, 2 and 4, implying that their product = 1*2*4 = 8.
SUFFICIENT.

Statement 2:
Since the two statements cannot contradict each other, the one case that satisfies statement 1 -- 1, 2 and 4 -- must also satisfy statement 2.
Implication:
If the three distinct positive integers are 1, 2 and 4, then ab + bc + ca = 14.
If we decrease 4 to 3, then the value of ab + bc + ca will decrease.
If we increase any of the three values, then the value of ab + bc + ca will increase.
Thus, the one case that satisfies statement 1 -- 1, 2 and 4 -- must also be the ONLY case that will satisfy statement 2.
Thus, the three distinct positive integers must be 1, 2 and 4, implying that their product = 1*2*4 = 8.
SUFFICIENT.

The correct answer is D.
Why is this case not contradicting with the rule that we should not carry over the solution of statement to the next one?

How is statement 2 alone sufficient as well if we are using solution of statement one?

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by [email protected] » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:30 am
Hi Azzaya,

Mitch used one of the 'design elements' behind DS questions to deal with this specific DS question. Sufficiency vs. Insufficiency comes down to whether the answer to the given question stays the same every time based on the information that you're given (re: Sufficient) or changes (re: Insufficient).

Each Fact will include AT LEAST one solution to the given question. IF a Fact leads to JUST ONE solution, then THAT solution IS the answer to the question. By design, that solution will also be one of the solutions to the other Fact (it's just a matter of whether it's the only solution or there are additional solutions).

Fact 1 has just ONE solution: (A)(B)(C) = 8, so Fact 1 is SUFFICIENT. That same solution will ALSO 'fit' Fact 2 - because the two Facts will always point to the same solution(s); it's just that individually a Fact might have other solutions too.

Thus, we know ONE solution to Fact 2 immediately once we prove that Fact 1 is SUFFICIENT. With a bit of work, you can prove that there are no other solutions for Fact 2, so it must also be SUFFICIENT.

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