First practice test--help with study strategy

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First practice test--help with study strategy

by Spee » Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:58 am
So I completed my first practice test yesterday (Veritas). The results were...puzzling.

First, the easy part: My verbal score was about what I expected. Very strong in Critical Reasoning, acceptable in Reading Comprehension, and work is needed in Sentence Correction. 80th percentile overall, hoping to get this near 90th percentile with study.

Now, for the more intriguing part: the Quant section. I did very well with Data Sufficiency: 16 correct out of 18. I totally bombed the Problem Solving section: 5 correct out of 19.

I knew going into the test that my math skills were going to be a big problem. It has been a very long time since I've had to do algebra of any sort and I need to do some serious review of that stuff. But what is puzzling to me is that I've generally seen a ton of complaints about how frustrating the DS section is, and I had no trouble with it. I realize that I was also getting lower-level DS questions because I was not doing well with the PS questions, but even that doesn't/shouldn't explain the huge disparity between the two sections, should it?

Alright, so given all of this plus the fact that the verbal section tends to have more weight in the composite score, I'm wondering just how much energy I should devote to improving my Quant score. Yes, I understand that top b-schools want to see some balance between the scores, and I'm going to shoot to do that. I think that I can make a huge improvement with some serious algebra review. Assuming my DS performance stays strong, I should be able to focus mostly on the PS skills. However, at a point, my lack of general math aptitude is going to hold me back and I'll start to experience some serious diminishing returns in study time vs progress made. If I had to guess, that point will probably happen when my practice tests show my quant score around the 70th percentile, maybe even a bit lower.

Sure, I could keep pushing. I could essentially take Algebra I & II all over again and maybe make it into the 80th percentile or higher, but is that time investment worth it when such an improvement might only marginally affect my composite score due to the verbal having significantly more weight? Again, yes, I understand that a school wants to see a score balance and I'll strive to do that as best as I can. But the simple fact is that I'm not balanced. My verbal skills have always been much stronger (hell, that's why I studied business as an undergrad instead of engineering). If I want to break the magical 700 barrier, I think my best shot would be pushing my verbal score into the 90th and higher percentile.

So in essence my question is: would it be a good idea for me to study the quantitative section until I get to around the 70th percentile, and then turn my focus to boosting my verbal score to 90 and above?
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by [email protected] » Wed Feb 11, 2015 12:15 pm
Hi Spee,

I have a couple of questions about your CAT and a few notes:

1) Did you take the ENTIRE CAT (including the Essay and IR sections)?
2) You noted that you got 17/18 DS and 5/14 PS - that's a total of 32 questions. The Quant section has 37 questions, so is this a typo or did you not finish the entire Quant section?
3) What were your scores (including the Quant and Verbal Scaled Scores)?

The disparity in your DS and PS performances is interesting, so we'll have to see if that pattern holds (re: do you have a natural affinity for DS or was it just the perfect convergence of events on this one CAT).

There are a number of different "ways" to score 700+, but at this point, you shouldn't be thinking too much about that. The process of studying for the GMAT takes time (more Test Takers spend 3 months (or more) on the process) and you'll come to learn the areas that you *really* need help with as you study. The good news is that most of the "math" that you need to know is fairly straight-forward - there are formulas and rules, and you'll need to work on your "mechanics", but much of it is stuff that you did in 8th and 9th grade. Algebra is a BIG part of the Quant section, but Algebra 2 is NOT a part of this Test.

You shouldn't be looking at your studies as an "all of one and then all of another" approach ; you'll want to intersperse Quant practice with Verbal practice. You'll also want to take a FULL-LENGTH CAT every 1-2 weeks, so that you can gauge your progress and fix any of the little issues as they arise.

When are you planning to take the GMAT?

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by Spee » Wed Feb 11, 2015 12:51 pm
Rich,

Thanks so much for your reply. It is a huge help.

1) Yes, I took the whole CAT including the essay and IR. I did not have any time added, did not pause, and stuck strictly to the two 8 minute breaks. I wanted my very first experience to be an accurate assessment of how well I'd do on the exam if I took it today (or yesterday, in this case).

2) Sorry about that, I misread/misrepresented my score report on the Quant section. I got 16 DS questions correct and one incorrect. I got 5 PS questions correct and 14 incorrect. So 16/18 DS and 5/19 PS. More proof that I need some math help if I can't even cite the number correct out of the total, eh? (joking, but maybe not really...) Anyway, I'll edit my original post so I don't confuse anyone else who might try to help.

3) Quant score was 38 (46th percentile) and Verbal 37 (81st percentile).

I'll take a stab at why I did so much better on DS questions than PS questions: I'm pretty good at math as long as I don't actually have to solve it, if that makes sense. For example, when I took Calc in college, I knew what I had to do and I could easily conceptualize what the problem was asking. The calculus was easy, but getting a final answer involved lots of messy (to me) algebra and that is the reason I struggled with the class so much. My math foundations are really lacking, and always have been. Perhaps I did so well on the DS questions because often I didn't need to solve anything--I just had to understand what the problem was asking and what data I was given.

I'll most definitely be switching my focus between quant and verbal throughout the study process, but I guess I'm trying to figure out what sort of balance to shoot for. I know that I'll need to start off with more emphasis on quant and foundational math (maybe 70/30 quant to verbal?), and I'm wondering if I should plan on transitioning that balance more toward verbal when I start to hit the point of diminishing returns for quant (maybe a reverse of where I start to a 30/70 quant to verbal). Good to know algebra II isn't tested.

I realize I'm trying to look into the future here and things could change quite a bit once I dive into the studying, but I like to have a general sense of what my path will be. I haven't signed up to take the test yet, but I'm thinking I'll end up taking it in mid-late March. I've recently finished a fixed-term contract and before I go back to work full time I want to take a few months off to study for the GMAT and pursue some other hobbies. I'd like to devote a very significant amount of time in the next few weeks to studying since I can basically make it my full time job. Of course I don't want to burn out, so I'll see how it goes.
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by MartyMurray » Wed Feb 11, 2015 3:40 pm
There is so much to talk about here, but I want to talk about just one thing so that you are not distracted from that one thing.

It sounds to me as if you are laboring under an illusion, the illusion being that you have some kind of fixed math aptitude.

My response?

OMMMMMMMMGGGGGGGGG LLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLL

Sorry. Maybe you were being sincere and I am just being silly, but that does basically sum up how extremely confident I am in your math potential.

While I can understand that you might not want to go crazy working to develop your math skills, that is way different from the idea that there is some kind of ceiling to your math skills.

You could get all the quant questions right and score 51 if you decided to spend more than a couple of months studying.

Would that make sense?

Maybe not.

Still you could. Let's at least agree on that.

As far as your plan goes, if you were to get your quant score up to the low to mid 40's, that seems like plenty. The rest of your score increase could come from verbal.

Still, remember what I said before.

Beyond that, if you took this thing pretty much cold and scored Q38, then just by learning some more about the question types and how to get to answers, you should be able to do rather well on quant, if not in percentile terms as least in absolute terms. As far as messy algebra goes, just to understand what we are talking about here, the truth is most of the problems could be done in your head if you really wanted to go that way. Much of the reason you didn't get the PS answers is that you just haven't done questions of those types much. I mean, for instance, if someone has done dozens of mixture problems and gets how they work, then doing another one in two minutes is no big deal. If you have to figure out how they work on the fly, that's a whole other thing.
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by [email protected] » Wed Feb 11, 2015 7:08 pm
Hi Spee,

If you're planning to take the GMAT in mid-to-late March, then you've given yourself just 1 to 1.5 months to study, which is not a lot of time. Your individual strengths notwithstanding, it's quite likely that you'll need more time than you've allotted. While you might not need as much study time as most people, you might want to put together a contingency plan that allows for a longer period of study.

What GMAT resources have you put together so far?

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by Spee » Wed Feb 11, 2015 8:07 pm
Marty Murray wrote:There is so much to talk about here, but I want to talk about just one thing so that you are not distracted from that one thing.

It sounds to me as if you are laboring under an illusion, the illusion being that you have some kind of fixed math aptitude.

My response?

OMMMMMMMMGGGGGGGGG LLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLL

Sorry. Maybe you were being sincere and I am just being silly, but that does basically sum up how extremely confident I am in your math potential.

While I can understand that you might not want to go crazy working to develop your math skills, that is way different from the idea that there is some kind of ceiling to your math skills.
Thanks for the confidence! And yes, if given infinite time (and infinite motivation to study), I'm sure that I could do very well on the quant section. Perhaps I was a bit down on myself earlier and I'd agree that my math aptitude is not limited. That said, it doesn't come quick or easy. It doesn't even come at a normal pace. I could get there. It would just take a lot of time!

Marty Murray wrote:As far as your plan goes, if you were to get your quant score up to the low to mid 40's, that seems like plenty. The rest of your score increase could come from verbal.
Fantastic. This is probably the most realistic route I can take. Of course, if there's some sort of miracle and I make absurd progress in quant, all the better!
Marty Murray wrote:As far as messy algebra goes, just to understand what we are talking about here, the truth is most of the problems could be done in your head if you really wanted to go that way. Much of the reason you didn't get the PS answers is that you just haven't done questions of those types much. I mean, for instance, if someone has done dozens of mixture problems and gets how they work, then doing another one in two minutes is no big deal. If you have to figure out how they work on the fly, that's a whole other thing.
Thanks so much Marty. Seriously, your post was a great confidence booster.
[email protected] wrote: If you're planning to take the GMAT in mid-to-late March, then you've given yourself just 1 to 1.5 months to study, which is not a lot of time. Your individual strengths notwithstanding, it's quite likely that you'll need more time than you've allotted. While you might not need as much study time as most people, you might want to put together a contingency plan that allows for a longer period of study.
Rich,

I'm definitely shooting for a compressed timetable here. But, for all intents and purposes, I'm unemployed at the moment (such a dirty word, isn't it?). Thankfully I'm unemployed by choice and I don't expect much trouble re-entering the workforce in another month or two.

So essentially I've got all the time in the world to devote to GMAT studying. That said, will I? Nope. Can I? Probably not. I know that non-stop marathon studying will result in a pretty fast burnout. My tentative schedule is to study for an average of 4 hours per day with 30-45min breaks each hour or as needed. I'm sure that some days I'll study more and some days less, but if I can balance things out to hit that average, I'm hoping that I won't burn out. Lets say I decide to take the exam on March 19th. 36 days from now. If I can average 4 hours of study per day, that'll be well over 100 hours.

That's a relatively ambitious average, and if I don't meet it or if I'm not confident about where I am a week before test day, then I can re-schedule. The nice thing about being unemployed is that I'm pretty flexible! Well, for the next two months, anyway. In any case, the absolute earliest I'll be applying is 1st round this fall, so I've got plenty of time to study for a re-take if I want to.

As far as resources, right now I'm looking at the"on-demand" offerings from Veritas, Manhattan, and Magoosh. Between Veritas and Manhattan, I'm leaning towards Veritas simply because they include live virtual office hours. I think I like Manhattan's Interact program better as it keeps me slightly more engaged than just watching a video lesson, but Veritas' strengths (office hours and practice tests) seem to outweigh that. Both have offered an at-cost upgrade to their in-classroom courses if I'm not satisfied with their on-demand offerings. I'm also considering buying 2 hours of admissions consulting time with Veritas since there is a bundle discount on purchasing consulting+prep course. But more on that in a moment.

Then there's Magoosh at 1/10th the price. Pretty enticing. Part of me wants to buy Magoosh for $100, Veritas' practice tests for $50, and then a guide book or three for another ~$100. Definitely the cheaper option, but I'm slightly concerned that this cobbled together approach will not offer me the study guidance and structure that I want.

On the topic of buying consulting time: I've got the ear of the dean of admissions for the MBA program of my alma mater (big state school) for about an hour later this week or early next week. They are a top 50 program, but on the higher end of that list. What I hope to gain from the conversation is a better understanding of how my application will look to an MBA admissions committee. I'm hoping that this conversation can be a substitute for consulting time with Veritas. If I'm feeling unfilled, then I'll go ahead and pay for a few hours of independent admissions consulting.

Given my situation, would you recommend any additional resources or an alternative path?

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by MartyMurray » Thu Feb 12, 2015 5:37 am
Given my situation, would you recommend any additional resources or an alternative path?
Number one thing I recommend is incorporating official resources into your program. At the very least download GMAT Prep from mba.com and PowerPrep from here. https://www.beatthegmat.com/mba/resources Both contain official practice CATs, although the PowerPrep CATs are older and do not include IR sections.

Why do this? Because the questions on test prep company CATs are similar to but not exactly like the questions on official CATs. So in order to accurately assess how the test works and how prepared you are, you need to use official CATs. In fact from what I have seen, sometimes people who think they are preparing for the GMAT have actually prepared for some test prep company's CATs, and when they get to the real thing they are thrown off by the differences.

I STRONGLY suggest using e versions of any books and resources you use. For one thing it's good to be used to working from a screen. For another, making paper books involves forest destruction, horrible pollution and the bad karma that comes with them. So work from a screen and consider using green energy or carbon offsets, and recycle any paper you might use for notes. On the rare occasions I use paper, I use the backs of envelopes or something. You don't want to be smashing baby birds or experiencing some mishap in the name of scoring higher on a test.

I use online question banks right and left by the way. If you need more questions, they can be good resources.

Beyond that, just be careful about over reliance on letting someone else or a book decide what you need to learn. The basis of scoring high on this test is your relationship with the test. So when you are deciding how to prepare and what to work on, that relationship needs to somehow be part of what you consider. You need to get a feel for how you work and what skills you need to develop in order to get more questions right and let that color your approach to preparation. This can involve, for instance, going over practice tests to see what kinds of questions you get wrong and right and analyzing what's going on.
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