ME AND THE GMAT HAD A TIE SCORE : 680. NOW WHAT????

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Actually the GMAT kicked my ass in the Q.

Just took it and got 41 Q and 41V.

Sort of disappointed although I'm glad I didn't bomb it.

The last time I took it I got 570 and this time, I actually finished all 1458 questions on OG 10, the 9 Paper Tests that you buy from GMAT.com (actually bought two sets and downloaded a third for free- you can actually download all three for free if you look on the Internet hard enough), GMAT 800 from Kaplan, and did four tests from GMATPrep.

I did all the above in 1.5 months and really crammed for the test.

Here is my postmortem :

1) The Q on the real thing is harder than anything I prepped with. Even GMAT 800 and even GMATPrep.

The question that comes to mind is what is the ratio of all palindrome numbers (numbers that read the same back and forth like 121, or 1111)
from 101 to 1001.

There were harder questions as well but I felt on the whole, that the Pearson or ETS or whoever is making these GMAT tests purposefully make the real GMAT harder than the books, software, and paper tests they sell to you so they can make money.

Bottom line : GMAT is a business and the system is rigged to sell as much stuff to you as possible while you take the test, get frustrated that the questions were unlike what you studied for, and then make you buy more stuff.

2) GMATPrep was the closest thing to the real test than anything else. The Q on the Paper Tests from GMAT.COM are a joke. Those are old test questions and in the old test, you're supposed to answer 108 questions in 150 minutes for the entire exam.

As a result, the old Paper Tests have very easy questions.

The real GMAT has questions that I thought some of them really blew my mind.

3) GMAT 800 is overrated. For the V, especially SC, I thought it helped.
However, the difficulty level that book covers in the Q doesn't even amount to the difficulty level of the middle section questions on the real test.

5) I saw one question that was on GMATPrep : it was the CR question about wildflowers and their publication in gardening magazines. How the publishers of the magazine don't want to publish wildflowers in their magazine anymore because plant sellers will begin to harvest wildflowers in their natural habitat.

4) I think I saw some racist commentary or undertone on the actual GMAT by whoever is writing these questions.

One question was a CR question dealing with eugenics versus genetics. The question pertained to the fact that eugenics was created by scientist who believed that there is a superior race and that eugenics later was adopted as the motivator behind the Nazi movement.

One of the answer choices alluded to to the fact that just because Eugenics adopts the theory that there is a superior race doesn't mean it's racist.

I can understand that the creators of the test probably hoped people wouldn't choose that as the answer, but even the fact that such a question existed on the actual test with such answers made me say "hmmmm".



Final conclusion: the GMAT is designed to make people, at least like me, buy more prep material because the Q was decisively hairier than the stuff GMAC sells to have you prep.

That is why they created now OG 12, which I hear is the same thing as 11 and 10. 11 I know doesn't have hardly anything that 10 does not and on top of that 10 has way questions more than 11.

Anyways, since my Q was so terrible, I'm positive that if I prepped for it properly this time I can score well into 700's no problem.

CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE RECOMMEND A REALLY EXCELLENT SOURCE FOR 700+ TYPE SCORE QUESTIONS ON THE QUANTITATIVE SECTION? EVERYTHING I USED SO FAR DIDN'T PREPARE ME FOR THE LEVEL OF DIFFICULTY ON THE REAL TEST ON THE QUANTITATIVE.
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by skang357 » Tue Mar 31, 2009 4:54 pm
ONE OTHER THING :

The 9 Paper Tests that you buy from GMAT.COM, or download for free if you look : 90% of the V on those tests is covered on OG 10.

Anyways, the Q on those tests is a joke compared to the real test.

One thing those tests did help me with is timing. They helped me answer or attempt to answer questions faster because you have two 150 minutes to answer 108 questions as opposed to 150 minutes to answer 78 questions on the GMAT CAT.
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by siownschu » Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:32 pm
Thank you for the debrief. I too bought those darn paper tests, so far they seem pretty easy and i had a feeling they wouldn't really come into play on the CAT style exam. You just proved me right!

as for the Quant section, now that you mention the real thing is a lot harder, have you found that its just as hard or if not harder than when you took the test last time?

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by skang357 » Wed Apr 01, 2009 10:43 am
siownschu wrote:Thank you for the debrief. I too bought those darn paper tests, so far they seem pretty easy and i had a feeling they wouldn't really come into play on the CAT style exam. You just proved me right!

as for the Quant section, now that you mention the real thing is a lot harder, have you found that its just as hard or if not harder than when you took the test last time?
Yo Siownschu,

I took the GMAT the last time on April 30, 2008. That time I prepped/crammed maybe two weeks for the test by solving 3/4ths of OG 11 and didn't take not even one timed practice test. As a result I only answered 25 out of 37 questions on the Q.

But anyways, I thought the level of difficulty were sort of similar. Perhaps a little bit more difficult on the one I took yesterday.

Even the first question on the test took me almost 4 minutes to solve.

It seems like the test throws medium level difficulty problems in the first 7 questions, then towards the middle it starts throwing out gimme questions like which is the greatest out of these 5 fractions, etc.

I only ran into one regular problem solving question such as if Dan and Bob took turns driving a 1500 mile trip and Dan drove twice as long as Dan, how long did Dan drive if Dan drove 15 miles per hour faster than Bob.

On OG10 and GMATPrep there are a lot of questions like this.

However on the real test, it seems like the test makers are changing gears and giving people more intuitive type of problems.

Such as the ratio of Palindrome numbers such as 191 and 232 from 101 to 1001.

Anyways, practice more problems like this and they also love to throw out the questions involving prime numbers like if M divides in N with a remainder of three, is 26 a factor of N?
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by siownschu » Wed Apr 01, 2009 10:07 pm
Palindromes!? I don't think i've encountered that in my practice material (OG11) or perhaps i have forgotten, those are the type of questions what will make me panic in the test, good tip! i'll be sure to review those.

The Prime problems are at some what of a harder level i would say. I once encountered a problem similar to the following:

how many prime numbers are there between 1001 and 2415

seriously.. i don't know of an easier way to really solve these...

ON TOPIC: 680 is a very respectable score, I'm happy you have achieved with high honors, I wish you the best of luck with the school admittance process.

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by cubicle_bound_misfit » Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:47 am
680 is a good score but it could be better.

one thing to note is that Palindrome or Fibonacci if it comes in GMAT they will always tell you what a palindrome/fibonacci is so that is acceptable.
But what do you mean by ratio?

There is an easy way to find numebrs of palindrome( although it will take more than 2 minutes to solve) in this interval but finding ratio against whom?

see from 101 to 999 the palindromes can be

1[0-9]1, 2[0-9]2,....till 9[0-9]9 and after that till 1001 there is only one 1001 itself. but what ratio you are talking of? Please let me know.
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by skang357 » Thu Apr 02, 2009 5:49 pm
cubicle_bound_misfit wrote:680 is a good score but it could be better.

one thing to note is that Palindrome or Fibonacci if it comes in GMAT they will always tell you what a palindrome/fibonacci is so that is acceptable.
But what do you mean by ratio?

There is an easy way to find numebrs of palindrome( although it will take more than 2 minutes to solve) in this interval but finding ratio against whom?

see from 101 to 999 the palindromes can be

1[0-9]1, 2[0-9]2,....till 9[0-9]9 and after that till 1001 there is only one 1001 itself. but what ratio you are talking of? Please let me know.
Hey Cubicle,

Ratio means ratio of palindrome numbers from 101 to 1001.

So number of palindromes/number of values from 101 to 1001.

The answer is supposed to be 1/10 I think. Which I guessed it basically and not solved it.
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by LulaBrazilia » Thu Apr 02, 2009 8:11 pm
Hey skang,

Thank you for your detailed debrief. Thanks especially for giving feedback on the paper tests. I'm guessing if you had to do it again you wouldn't buy them?

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by cubicle_bound_misfit » Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:02 pm
Well then it is

number of palindromes 1[0-9]1, 2[0-9]2 .... 9[0-9]9 +1 ( for 1001)

total number 9*10 +1

sum of palindromes [1+2+3+....9]*[101+111+121...+191]+1001

then the ratio should not be a problem.
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by skang357 » Fri Apr 03, 2009 6:19 pm
LulaBrazilia wrote:Hey skang,

Thank you for your detailed debrief. Thanks especially for giving feedback on the paper tests. I'm guessing if you had to do it again you wouldn't buy them?
Yo Lula,

The Paper tests are a waste of time IMO.

They only help in making you think quicker and help your timing. Because the old paper tests made you solve around 108 problems in 150 minutes.

Whereas the GMAT CAT has 78 questions in 150 minutes. Therefore, the verbal level of difficulty on the Paper tests was pretty similar to what I encountered on the CAT. However, the quant was at least 50% easier on the Paper tests vs. the CAT.

The other thing is that at least 90% of the verbal on the Paper Tests you already solved on OG10. I know that OG11 had a lot of material already on OG10 but I dunno about OG12 what that version is like.

Do a Google search for GMAT Paper Tests and you'll find a forum like this a few years old where somebody actually posted the links where you can download all 9 Paper tests for free.

I being a dumbass actually bought 2 sets of the paper test before finding this out and then downloaded the 3rd and last set for free.

Try to find these tests on the net and if you can't find them.

Okay, actually, I just did it for you here it is:

https://www.megaupload.com/?d=EAOMG7UW

Thank me now and pay me later (my best Hanz and Franz imitation).

Let me know if that doesn't work and I'll just email them to you next week if you need them.

Again, expect the Q on the CAT to be twice as hard at least than the Paper.
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by skang357 » Fri Apr 03, 2009 6:23 pm
cubicle_bound_misfit wrote:Well then it is

number of palindromes 1[0-9]1, 2[0-9]2 .... 9[0-9]9 +1 ( for 1001)

total number 9*10 +1

sum of palindromes [1+2+3+....9]*[101+111+121...+191]+1001

then the ratio should not be a problem.
There you go Misfit,

The answer should be 91/901.

However, I don't recall 91/901 being one of the answer choices. So I picked 1/10. Dunno.
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