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by richachampion » Tue Jul 21, 2015 12:18 am

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Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.

A, Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.
B, Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.
C, Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.
D, Although Elizabeth Barrett browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.
E, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his husband.
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This is a very Complicated question Needs Discussion. Thanks!
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by EducationAisle » Tue Jul 21, 2015 2:19 am

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Sometimes life becomes so easy by just knowing the correct idiom.

The correct idiom is just considered. So, considered as and considered to be are both incorrect forms.

That just leaves us with D.
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A, Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.
Where is antecedent of his? Though it refers to her husband but it is greamatically not clear. Moreover, comparison issue. Barret is overshadowed by his success? Here success is applied to Barret. Thus, incorrect.

B, Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.
First sentence looks good. However, comparision issue, as in A, exists with second part.

C, Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.
Modifier error. Barret should be modified not her poetry.

D, Although Elizabeth Barrett browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.
Proper comparison. Success of Barret is overshadowed by sucess of her husband. However, I would be glad if ther was a comma after contemporary. I suppose this is a typo?

E, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his husband.
Comparision issue. Poetry compared with husband.
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EducationAisle wrote:Sometimes life becomes so easy by just knowing the correct idiom.

The correct idiom is just considered. So, considered as and considered to be are both incorrect forms.

That just leaves us with D.
That I Know, but there are possible more errors to demystify.
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richachampion wrote: That I Know, but there are possible more errors to demystify.
Sure, but since you initially commented that it was a very complicated question, I was suggesting an easy way.

Pranay, in his mail above, seems to have given a very good explanation for other errors.
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richachampion wrote:Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.

A, Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.
B, Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.
C, Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.
D, Although Elizabeth Barrett browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.
E, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his husband.

In 'D', I think 'better' is not better than 'best'.

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Sun Light wrote:
richachampion wrote:Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.

A, Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.
B, Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.
C, Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.
D, Although Elizabeth Barrett browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.
E, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his husband.

In 'D', I think 'better' is not better than 'best'.

Source of the question please ?
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richachampion wrote:Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.

A, Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.
B, Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.
C, Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.
D, Although Elizabeth Barrett browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.
E, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his husband.
To convey a clear comparison, THE better must be PRECEDED by the the two nouns being compared.
Anyone who sees a film featuring the team of Adam and Bob invariably concludes that Adam is THE better actor.
Here, THE better is correctly preceded by Adam and Bob (the two nouns being compared).
In A, the better is NOT preceded by her husband (one of the two nouns being compared).
Eliminate A.

Only LIKE things can be compared.

B: she was later overshadowed by his success
Here, it is illogical to compare she (a PERSON) to his success (a non-person NOUN).
Eliminate B.

C: Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry
Here, overshadowed seems to modify poetry, implying that the POETRY was overshadowed by THE SUCCESS -- an illogical comparison.
Eliminate C.

In E, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's POETRY is compared to HER HUSBAND -- an illogical comparison.
Eliminate E.

The correct answer is D.

Note the following:
In the OA, the referent for she (subject pronoun) seems to be Elizabeth Barrett Browning's (a possessive).
In years past, this sort of construction was thought to be an error on the GMAT.
The OA to SC138 in the OG16 establishes a precedent:
On the current GMAT, it is permissible for a subject pronoun such as she to serve to refer to a possessive.
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GMATGuruNY wrote:
richachampion wrote:Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.

A, Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.
B, Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.
C, Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.
D, Although Elizabeth Barrett browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.
E, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his husband.
To convey a clear comparison, THE better must be PRECEDED by the the two nouns being compared.
Anyone who sees a film featuring the team of Adam and Bob invariably concludes that Adam is THE better actor.
Here, THE better is correctly preceded by Adam and Bob (the two nouns being compared).
In A, the better is NOT preceded by her husband (one of the two nouns being compared).
Eliminate A.

Only LIKE things can be compared.

B: she was later overshadowed by his success
Here, it is illogical to compare she (a PERSON) to his success (a non-person NOUN).
Eliminate B.

C: Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry
Here, overshadowed seems to modify poetry, implying that the POETRY was overshadowed by THE SUCCESS -- an illogical comparison.
Eliminate C.

In E, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's POETRY is compared to HER HUSBAND -- an illogical comparison.
Eliminate E.

The correct answer is D.

Note the following:
In the OA, the referent for she (subject pronoun) seems to be Elizabeth Barrett Browning's (a possessive).
In years past, this sort of construction was thought to be an error on the GMAT.
The OA to SC138 in the OG16 establishes a precedent:
On the current GMAT, it is permissible for a subject pronoun such as she to serve to refer to a possessive.
Do you think D changes the meaning of sentence?
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EducationAisle wrote:Sometimes life becomes so easy by just knowing the correct idiom.

The correct idiom is just considered. So, considered as and considered to be are both incorrect forms.

That just leaves us with D.

Here is Ron Purewals take on the Idiom part -

* i don't think there is any meaningful difference between "consider X Y" and "consider X to be Y".
i can guarantee you right now that there will NEVER be a choice on which the ONLY "error" is the insertion of those two words "to be".
however, as emily noted above, the presence of those words can indeed be suspicious. therefore, if you see them, you should double down on your effort in scanning that particular choice for OTHER errors.

it's possible to formulate a sentence in which "consider X Y" produces an ambiguous meaning that would be rectified by the use of "consider X to be Y". in that case, the latter would be necessary.

It just like eliminating answer choices just because it has "being" and this is not always the case their are plenty of GMAT problems that has "being" in correct answer choice.

Eliminating an answer choice on the basis of idioms is a Juvenile technique. For me while learning our goal is to learn broadly applicable takeaways about the best ways to solve classes of problems, so that you have good ideas about how to think your way through the new problems that you'll see on the test.

Relying on Idioms is an outdated technique and mis directs us to just solve a question w/o taking so many take away's that are hidden in 5 options available. You must have seen people migrating from n # of questions banks to # of test preparing companies and they never improves. Any thing that is simple is not a learning.

Following a simple path and avoid analysis and other takeaway might seems easy now, but will bear no fruit to us as a student. I am a 740 scorer, but I do not think that I am an expert, but I am a student whow has so much to learn before moving to next test.
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richachampion wrote:Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.

A, Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.
B, Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning was considered among her contemporaries as a better poet than her husband, she was later overshadowed by his success.
C, Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry had been considered among her contemporaries to be better than that of her husband.
D, Although Elizabeth Barrett browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.
E, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry was considered among her contemporaries as better than her husband, but her success was later overshadowed by his husband.
To convey a clear comparison, THE better must be PRECEDED by the the two nouns being compared.
Anyone who sees a film featuring the team of Adam and Bob invariably concludes that Adam is THE better actor.
Here, THE better is correctly preceded by Adam and Bob (the two nouns being compared).
In A, the better is NOT preceded by her husband (one of the two nouns being compared).
Eliminate A.

Only LIKE things can be compared.

B: she was later overshadowed by his success
Here, it is illogical to compare she (a PERSON) to his success (a non-person NOUN).
Eliminate B.

C: Later overshadowed by the success of her husband, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's poetry
Here, overshadowed seems to modify poetry, implying that the POETRY was overshadowed by THE SUCCESS -- an illogical comparison.
Eliminate C.

In E, Elizabeth Barrett Browning's POETRY is compared to HER HUSBAND -- an illogical comparison.
Eliminate E.

The correct answer is D.

Note the following:
In the OA, the referent for she (subject pronoun) seems to be Elizabeth Barrett Browning's (a possessive).
In years past, this sort of construction was thought to be an error on the GMAT.
The OA to SC138 in the OG16 establishes a precedent:
On the current GMAT, it is permissible for a subject pronoun such as she to serve to refer to a possessive.
Do you think D changes the meaning of sentence?
Thank you!
D, Although Elizabeth Barrett browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet.

here "that" stands for success.
Comparison is perfect.
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Crystal W wrote: Do you think D changes the meaning of sentence?
A: Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.
Here, it is illogical to compare Elizabeth Barrett Browning (a PERSON) to his success (a non-person NOUN).
Since the original sentence conveys a nonsensical meaning, the correct answer choice MUST change this meaning to something sensical.
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GMATGuruNY wrote:
Crystal W wrote: Do you think D changes the meaning of sentence?
A: Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.
Here, it is illogical to compare Elizabeth Barrett Browning (a PERSON) to his success (a non-person NOUN).
Since the original sentence conveys a nonsensical meaning, the correct answer choice MUST change this meaning to something sensical.
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richachampion wrote:Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband, later Elizabeth Barrett Browning was overshadowed by his success.
Hello Mitch, can you also clarify whether the original sentence has a pronoun error.

The introductory clause is "Although she was considered among her contemporaries to be the better poet than her husband". This clause has pronouns such as "she", "her" etc.

So, should this introductory clause have been directly followed by the Noun "Elizabeth Barrett Browning"?
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