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by logitech » Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:41 am
"Militants seeking independence for Croatia have struck inside the U.S. in the past. In December 1975 Croatian nationalists were suspected of planting a bomb in a luggage locker at La Guardia Airport, killing 11 people and injuring 75. Less than a year later, Croats hijacked a TWA jet traveling from New York City to Chicago and eventually diverted it to Paris. As part of that operation, the group also planted a bomb at Grand Central Terminal, which killed a police officer who tried to defuse it. In June 1980 Croatian "freedom fighters" detonated a bomb inside the museum at the Statue of Liberty, but no one was injured."

Does which refer to Bomb or Terminal ?

"Most of the Balkan nationalities have a history of marrying politics with violence. It was the murder of Archduke Francis Ferdinand and his wife in Sarajevo by a Serbian youth that set off World War I. And according to a French expert on the Balkans, Xavier Raufer, the terrorist techniques that the Palestinians and the Lebanese made notorious in the past two decades -- bombings, kidnappings, hijackings -- were virtually invented by Balkan groups. "These guys make Abu Nidal look like Mother Teresa," he says."

Is THAT used correctly ?
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Re: From The Times

by iamcste » Thu Nov 20, 2008 2:29 pm
logitech wrote:"Militants seeking independence for Croatia have struck inside the U.S. in the past. In December 1975 Croatian nationalists were suspected of planting a bomb in a luggage locker at La Guardia Airport, killing 11 people and injuring 75. Less than a year later, Croats hijacked a TWA jet traveling from New York City to Chicago and eventually diverted it to Paris. As part of that operation, the group also planted a bomb at Grand Central Terminal, which killed a police officer who tried to defuse it. In June 1980 Croatian "freedom fighters" detonated a bomb inside the museum at the Statue of Liberty, but no one was injured."

Does which refer to Bomb or Terminal ?

Terminal as per GMAT

which refers to the noun placed before it
"Most of the Balkan nationalities have a history of marrying politics with violence. It was the murder of Archduke Francis Ferdinand and his wife in Sarajevo by a Serbian youth that set off World War I. And according to a French expert on the Balkans, Xavier Raufer, the terrorist techniques that the Palestinians and the Lebanese made notorious in the past two decades -- bombings, kidnappings, hijackings -- were virtually invented by Balkan groups. "These guys make Abu Nidal look like Mother Teresa," he says."

Is THAT used correctly ?

yes as a essential modifier..its similar to "It was X that lead/Set off Y"

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Re: From The Times

by logitech » Thu Nov 20, 2008 2:42 pm
"Militants seeking independence for Croatia have struck inside the U.S. in the past. In December 1975 Croatian nationalists were suspected of planting a bomb in a luggage locker at La Guardia Airport, killing 11 people and injuring 75. Less than a year later, Croats hijacked a TWA jet traveling from New York City to Chicago and eventually diverted it to Paris. As part of that operation, the group also planted a bomb at Grand Central Terminal, which killed a police officer who tried to defuse it. In June 1980 Croatian "freedom fighters" detonated a bomb inside the museum at the Statue of Liberty, but no one was injured."

Does which refer to Bomb or Terminal ?

Terminal as per GMAT

But don't you think at terminal modifies the BOMB ?

which refers to the noun placed before it
"Most of the Balkan nationalities have a history of marrying politics with violence. It was the murder of Archduke Francis Ferdinand and his wife in Sarajevo by a Serbian youth that set off World War I. And according to a French expert on the Balkans, Xavier Raufer, the terrorist techniques that the Palestinians and the Lebanese made notorious in the past two decades -- bombings, kidnappings, hijackings -- were virtually invented by Balkan groups. "These guys make Abu Nidal look like Mother Teresa," he says."

Is THAT used correctly ?

yes as a essential modifier..its similar to "It was X that lead/Set off Y"

so actually THAT refers to the WHOLE PHRASE ?
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Re: From The Times

by iamcste » Thu Nov 20, 2008 2:53 pm
logitech wrote:"Militants seeking independence for Croatia have struck inside the U.S. in the past. In December 1975 Croatian nationalists were suspected of planting a bomb in a luggage locker at La Guardia Airport, killing 11 people and injuring 75. Less than a year later, Croats hijacked a TWA jet traveling from New York City to Chicago and eventually diverted it to Paris. As part of that operation, the group also planted a bomb at Grand Central Terminal, which killed a police officer who tried to defuse it. In June 1980 Croatian "freedom fighters" detonated a bomb inside the museum at the Statue of Liberty, but no one was injured."

Does which refer to Bomb or Terminal ?

Terminal as per GMAT

But don't you think at terminal modifies the BOMB ?

Not sure..about indirect references like this..but per GMAt, which modifies Terminal

which refers to the noun placed before it
"Most of the Balkan nationalities have a history of marrying politics with violence. It was the murder of Archduke Francis Ferdinand and his wife in Sarajevo by a Serbian youth that set off World War I. And according to a French expert on the Balkans, Xavier Raufer, the terrorist techniques that the Palestinians and the Lebanese made notorious in the past two decades -- bombings, kidnappings, hijackings -- were virtually invented by Balkan groups. "These guys make Abu Nidal look like Mother Teresa," he says."

Is THAT used correctly ?

yes as a essential modifier..its similar to "It was X that lead/Set off Y"

so actually THAT refers to the WHOLE PHRASE ?
Yes to entire compound phrase to complete the meaning

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Re: From The Times

by logitech » Thu Nov 20, 2008 2:58 pm
iamcste wrote:
logitech wrote:"Militants seeking independence for Croatia have struck inside the U.S. in the past. In December 1975 Croatian nationalists were suspected of planting a bomb in a luggage locker at La Guardia Airport, killing 11 people and injuring 75. Less than a year later, Croats hijacked a TWA jet traveling from New York City to Chicago and eventually diverted it to Paris. As part of that operation, the group also planted a bomb at Grand Central Terminal, which killed a police officer who tried to defuse it. In June 1980 Croatian "freedom fighters" detonated a bomb inside the museum at the Statue of Liberty, but no one was injured."

Does which refer to Bomb or Terminal ?

Terminal as per GMAT

But don't you think at terminal modifies the BOMB ?

Not sure..about indirect references like this..but per GMAt, which modifies Terminal

which refers to the noun placed before it
"Most of the Balkan nationalities have a history of marrying politics with violence. It was the murder of Archduke Francis Ferdinand and his wife in Sarajevo by a Serbian youth that set off World War I. And according to a French expert on the Balkans, Xavier Raufer, the terrorist techniques that the Palestinians and the Lebanese made notorious in the past two decades -- bombings, kidnappings, hijackings -- were virtually invented by Balkan groups. "These guys make Abu Nidal look like Mother Teresa," he says."

Is THAT used correctly ?

yes as a essential modifier..its similar to "It was X that lead/Set off Y"

so actually THAT refers to the WHOLE PHRASE ?
Yes to entire compound phrase to complete the meaning
what do you think about this:

bla bla bla fishermen of Brazil, who are good people

In this case WHO - eventough it is not next to fishermen - modifies fishermen.

Why can't which do the same thing ?

WHYYYYYYY :lol:
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by iamcste » Thu Nov 20, 2008 3:04 pm
The rule is only for "which" ( Non essential modifier) and not for any other relative pronoun.

Unlike Who-Essential as well as non-essential modifier and applicable only to persons, Which is an non-essential modifier and applicable only to things
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by logitech » Thu Nov 20, 2008 3:05 pm
iamcste wrote:The rule is only for "which" ( Non essential modifier) and not for any other relative pronoun.

Unlike Who-Essential as well as non-essential modifier and applicable only to persons, While is an non-essential modifier and applicable only to things
Did you mean which ?
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by iamcste » Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:02 pm
logitech wrote:
iamcste wrote:The rule is only for "which" ( Non essential modifier) and not for any other relative pronoun.

Unlike Who-Essential as well as non-essential modifier and applicable only to persons, While is an non-essential modifier and applicable only to things
Did you mean which ?

yes dude--edited post

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by logitech » Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:13 pm
Thanks for your help.
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by iamcste » Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:32 pm
logitech wrote:Thanks for your help.
Pls also let me know if you have any any additonal info on the same or areas which you feel I wasnt correct.

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by karmayogi » Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:46 pm
iamcste wrote:
logitech wrote:Thanks for your help.
Pls also let me know if you have any any additonal info on the same or areas which you feel I wasnt correct.
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by ronniecoleman » Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:54 pm
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by mals24 » Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:06 am
@ imcste or logitech or anybody

So are these rules going to be correct

1. X + Preposition + Y + Relative Pronoun (except which)

In a sentence structure like this, the relative pronoun will refer to X.

2. In GMAT which will always refer to the word before it.

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by iamcste » Fri Nov 21, 2008 7:25 am
mals24 wrote:@ imcste or logitech or anybody

So are these rules going to be correct

1. X + Preposition + Y + Relative Pronoun (except which)

In a sentence structure like this, the relative pronoun will refer to X.

Whats Y?

2. In GMAT which will always refer to the word before it.
Not any word..."Which refers to the noun immediately preceding it-and not to the action of the entire preceding clause

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