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by GMATGuruNY » Wed May 07, 2014 7:32 pm
buoyant wrote:Is the value of x equal to the value of y?

(1)|x − y| = |y − x|

(2) x*y is not equal to 0

[spoiler]OA:E[/spoiler]
Both statements are satisfied by x=1 and y=1.
In this case, x=y.

Both statements are satisfied by x=2 and y=1.
In this case, x>y.

Thus, the two statements combined are INSUFFICIENT.

The correct answer is E.
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by feedrom » Thu May 08, 2014 7:38 am
HI Mitch,

How should I think about the statement (1)|x - y| = |y - x| with the concept of absolute value? Do I have to solve 2 cases? Or it'll be better if using graphs?
Thanks.

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by GMATGuruNY » Thu May 08, 2014 8:28 am
feedrom wrote:HI Mitch,

How should I think about the statement (1)|x - y| = |y - x| with the concept of absolute value? Do I have to solve 2 cases? Or it'll be better if using graphs?
Thanks.
|a-b| = the DISTANCE between a and b on the number line.

Statement 1: |x-y| = |y-x|
In words:
On the number line, the distance between x and y is equal to the distance between y and x.

This relationship will hold true for ANY two values x and y.
For example, if x=-10 and y=11, the distance between -10 and 11 is equal to the distance between 11 and -10.
In each case, the distance between the two values is 21.

Thus, |x-y| = |y-x| implies that x and y can be ANY TWO VALUES.
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by buoyant » Thu May 08, 2014 1:22 pm
GMATGuruNY wrote:
feedrom wrote:HI Mitch,

How should I think about the statement (1)|x - y| = |y - x| with the concept of absolute value? Do I have to solve 2 cases? Or it'll be better if using graphs?
Thanks.
|a-b| = the DISTANCE between a and b on the number line.

Statement 1: |x-y| = |y-x|
In words:
On the number line, the distance between x and y is equal to the distance between y and x.

This relationship will hold true for ANY two values x and y.
For example, if x=-10 and y=11, the distance between -10 and 11 is equal to the distance between 11 and -10.
In each case, the distance between the two values is 21.

Thus, |x-y| = |y-x| implies that x and y can be ANY TWO VALUES.

from statement 1, we get that for x=y , x>y and x<y , |x-y| = |y-x|
right?
because if i solve using algebra, when x-y is greater than or equal to 0, then (x-y)= (x-y) and when x-y is less than 0, then (x-y)= -(x-y)
same for (y-x)..

Finally, we get 2 cases:
1. (x-y) = (y-x) (when x-y is greater than or equal to 0)
2. (x-y) = -(y-x) (when x-y is less than 0)

case 1 says for both x=y and x>y, the absolute equation will hold true..so, insufficient....

Even i tend to solve almost all absolute value equations by using the above 2 types of cases. i am not sure if these cases can be solved for all absolute value questions. Mitch's number picking method seems efficient here.

Is the above approach right Mitch?

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by GMATGuruNY » Thu May 08, 2014 2:21 pm
buoyant wrote:
GMATGuruNY wrote:
feedrom wrote:HI Mitch,

How should I think about the statement (1)|x - y| = |y - x| with the concept of absolute value? Do I have to solve 2 cases? Or it'll be better if using graphs?
Thanks.
|a-b| = the DISTANCE between a and b on the number line.

Statement 1: |x-y| = |y-x|
In words:
On the number line, the distance between x and y is equal to the distance between y and x.

This relationship will hold true for ANY two values x and y.
For example, if x=-10 and y=11, the distance between -10 and 11 is equal to the distance between 11 and -10.
In each case, the distance between the two values is 21.

Thus, |x-y| = |y-x| implies that x and y can be ANY TWO VALUES.

from statement 1, we get that for x=y , x>y and x<y , |x-y| = |y-x|
right?
because if i solve using algebra, when x-y is greater than or equal to 0, then (x-y)= (x-y) and when x-y is less than 0, then (x-y)= -(x-y)
same for (y-x)..

Finally, we get 2 cases:
1. (x-y) = (y-x) (when x-y is greater than or equal to 0)
2. (x-y) = -(y-x) (when x-y is less than 0)

case 1 says for both x=y and x>y, the absolute equation will hold true..so, insufficient....

Even i tend to solve almost all absolute value equations by using the above 2 types of cases. i am not sure if these cases can be solved for all absolute value questions. Mitch's number picking method seems efficient here.

Is the above approach right Mitch?
Solving |x-y| = |y-x| algebraically, we get two cases:

Case 1: NO SIGNS are changed
x-y = y-x
2x = 2y
x = y.
Implication:
x-y = y-x when x=y.

Case 2: The signs are changed on ONE SIDE
x-y = -y+x
x-y = x-y
0 = 0.
In the resulting equation, x and y disappear.
The implication is that x and y are IRRELEVANT in Case 2: the equation will hold true for ANY TWO VALUES.
Thus:
x-y = -y+x for ALL values x and y.

Because Case 2 will hold true for all values x and y, statement 1 implies that x and y can be ANY TWO VALUES.

Algebra can be very helpful in number property problems, but sometimes it can overcomplicate things.
Here, testing values seems easier and faster.
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by feedrom » Fri May 09, 2014 9:25 am
GMATGuruNY wrote: Case 2: The signs are changed on ONE SIDE
x-y = -y+x
x-y = x-y
0 = 0.
In the resulting equation, x and y disappear.
The implication is that x and y are IRRELEVANT in Case 2: the equation will hold true for ANY TWO VALUES.
Thus:
x-y = -y+x for ALL values x and y.

Because Case 2 will hold true for all values x and y, statement 1 implies that x and y can be ANY TWO VALUES.
Excellent, Mitch! I did come up with this case, but really didn't know the implication when seeing 0=0
Thank you so much!