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by nafiul9090 » Wed May 25, 2011 6:13 am
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by gmatdriller » Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:12 pm
Hi Mitch,
How can we probably apply the separator method to the problem below?

Tanya prepared 4 different letters to be sent to 4 different addresses.
For each letter, she prepared an envelope with its correct address.
If the 4 letters are to be put into the 4 envelopes at random, what
is the probability that only one letter will be put into the envelope
with its correct address?
(A) 1/24 (B) 1/8 (C) 1/4 (D) 1/3 (E) 3/8

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by GMATGuruNY » Mon Sep 12, 2011 3:55 am
gmatdriller wrote:Hi Mitch,
How can we probably apply the separator method to the problem below?

Tanya prepared 4 different letters to be sent to 4 different addresses.
For each letter, she prepared an envelope with its correct address.
If the 4 letters are to be put into the 4 envelopes at random, what
is the probability that only one letter will be put into the envelope
with its correct address?
(A) 1/24 (B) 1/8 (C) 1/4 (D) 1/3 (E) 3/8
The separator method is used to count the number of ways in which IDENTICAL elements can be DISTRIBUTED.
In the Tanya problem, the letters are all DIFFERENT.
The DISTRIBUTION is fixed at one letter per envelope, so we don't need to count the number of possible distributions.
Hence, the separator method is not appropriate.
I posted a solution to the Tanya problem here:

https://www.beatthegmat.com/difficult-pr ... tml#344738
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by GMATGuruNY » Thu Sep 22, 2011 4:05 am
Here's another distribution problem solved with the separator method:
Larry, Michael, and Doug have five donuts to share. If any one of the men can be given any whole number of donuts from 0 to 5, in how many different ways can the donuts be distributed?
(A) 21
(B) 42
(C) 120
(D) 504
(E) 5040
5 identical donuts are being divided at most 2 times.
Let the 5 identical donuts = DDDDD.
Let the 2 separators = ||.
Number of ways to arrange DDDDD|| = 7!(5!/2!) = 21.
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by amsm25 » Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:11 am
Hi, I am new to the separator method. Could you suggest any material or website from which I can learn the method.

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by gmatdriller » Sun Sep 25, 2011 12:08 am
Am taking my time to understand the separator method and how
it differs from conventional means of solving such problems.

Will get back to you later...

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by dhonu121 » Sun Sep 25, 2011 6:01 am
GMATGuruNY wrote:
Chaitanya_1986 wrote:How many positive integers less than 10,000 are there in which sum of digits equals 5?
(a) 31
(b) 51
(c) 56
(d) 62
(e) 93
Use the separator method.

Let the 5-unit sum = DDDDD.

We can use these five D's to represent any integer in which the sum of the digits is 5:
DDDDD = 5.
DDDD D = 41.
D DDD D = 131.

To be less than 10,000, the integer can have at most 4 digits.
Thus, the five D's can be separated at most into 4 groups. For example:
D D D DD = 1112.

Thus, there are at most 3 separators dividing the five D's.
Let the 3 separators = |||.

Thus:
|||DDDDD = 5.
||DDDD|D = 41.
|D|DDD|D = 131.
D|D|D|DD = 1112.

Thus, to count the number of integers, we need to count the number of ways to arrange DDDDD|||.
Number of ways to arrange DDDDD||| = 8!/(5!3!) = 56.

The correct answer is C.
You did not count 221. and 23.
How did you account for these combinations ?
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by GMATGuruNY » Sun Sep 25, 2011 6:42 am
dhonu121 wrote:
GMATGuruNY wrote:
Chaitanya_1986 wrote:How many positive integers less than 10,000 are there in which sum of digits equals 5?
(a) 31
(b) 51
(c) 56
(d) 62
(e) 93
Use the separator method.

Let the 5-unit sum = DDDDD.

We can use these five D's to represent any integer in which the sum of the digits is 5:
DDDDD = 5.
DDDD D = 41.
D DDD D = 131.

To be less than 10,000, the integer can have at most 4 digits.
Thus, the five D's can be separated at most into 4 groups. For example:
D D D DD = 1112.

Thus, there are at most 3 separators dividing the five D's.
Let the 3 separators = |||.

Thus:
|||DDDDD = 5.
||DDDD|D = 41.
|D|DDD|D = 131.
D|D|D|DD = 1112.

Thus, to count the number of integers, we need to count the number of ways to arrange DDDDD|||.
Number of ways to arrange DDDDD||| = 8!/(5!3!) = 56.

The correct answer is C.
You did not count 221. and 23.
How did you account for these combinations ?
The separator method accounts for EVERY possible integer.

|DD|DD|D = 0221 = 221.
||DD|DDD = 0023 = 23.
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by DonPaw » Fri Sep 30, 2011 1:55 am
GMATGuruNY wrote:
Chaitanya_1986 wrote:How many positive integers less than 10,000 are there in which sum of digits equals 5?
(a) 31
(b) 51
(c) 56
(d) 62
(e) 93
Use the separator method.

Let the 5-unit sum = DDDDD.

We can use these five D's to represent any integer in which the sum of the digits is 5:
DDDDD = 5.
DDDD D = 41.
D DDD D = 131.

To be less than 10,000, the integer can have at most 4 digits.
Thus, the five D's can be separated at most into 4 groups. For example:
D D D DD = 1112.

Thus, there are at most 3 separators dividing the five D's.
Let the 3 separators = |||.

Thus:
|||DDDDD = 5.
||DDDD|D = 41.
|D|DDD|D = 131.
D|D|D|DD = 1112.

Thus, to count the number of integers, we need to count the number of ways to arrange DDDDD|||.
Number of ways to arrange DDDDD||| = 8!/(5!3!) = 56.

The correct answer is C.

Hi Mitch,


Can you please share more information on selecting 5 Ds. Since the no of digits anytime will be less than 5. as no will be < 10000 at any given time.



"We can use these five D's to represent any integer in which the sum of the digits is 5:"

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by ronnie1985 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:06 am
This was nice explanation. Thank you for separator method.
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