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by Testluv » Mon Jun 14, 2010 7:52 am
I did say "some"!

Here, I'm quoting from my own post:
It can be inferred that choice E is the environmentalists' position. But that doesn't mean it must be true. If choice E started off with "Some environmentalists hold..." then it would have been a proper inference.
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by martin.jonson007 » Tue Jun 15, 2010 5:42 am
Testluv wrote:I did say "some"!

Here, I'm quoting from my own post:
It can be inferred that choice E is the environmentalists' position. But that doesn't mean it must be true. If choice E started off with "Some environmentalists hold..." then it would have been a proper inference.
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i think u r not getting wat am trying to convey... it's very important ques .. i appreciate yr reasoning.. so want to be very very clear abt this concept...

am saying B will be correct and EVEN IF argument read like Some environmentalists hold in place of Some environmentalists think...


b'coz wat some people think or hold cant be considered TRUE INFERENCE...!

am right.... ?

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by Testluv » Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:42 am
If "some people think X" we can infer that at least one person thinks X. This doesn't mean that we are inferring X itself must be true. I discussed this distinction earlier in this thread.
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by Stacey Koprince » Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:46 pm
Received a PM asking me to respond. I think the confusion might be in what this student said a ways back (upthread):
You said when argument saying SOME then it can't be taken as a general inference.. then why we shud bother that whether SOME people THINK OR HOLD the claim , after all they are SOME PEOPLE (as u emphasized)
I think the student might be misinterpreting / misunderstanding something here.

If I say that SOME people like chocolate ice cream, then it is true that SOME people like chocolate ice cream, but it is not necessarily true that MANY or ALL people like chocolate ice cream. As testluv said, you can't infer UP his chain (that is, you can't infer that if something is true for some people or some of the time, then it is true for all people or all of the time).

But you can infer DOWN the chain. If something is true for some people, then it is true for some people, and it is also true for at least one person. If something is true for many people, then it is also true for some people, and it is also true for one person.


Similarly, testluv said that IF choice E had said "SOME environmentalists hold..." That's okay because the argument does establish that MANY environmentalists hold that to be true. If MANY hold it to be true, then SOME do hold it to be true, and AT LEAST ONE holds it to be true. But choice E wouldn't be okay if it said "ALL environmentalists hold..." because we can't infer that "many" means "all."
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by Testluv » Tue Jun 15, 2010 6:17 pm
Thanks for weighing in Stacey.

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b'coz wat some people think or hold cant be considered TRUE INFERENCE...!
....no BUT the fact that some people think or hold that thing may be a TRUE INFERENCE. In fact, even if all people think x must be true we still can't infer that x must be true--we can only infer that all people think x must be true (but all people can be incorrect).

Hope that helps.
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by akhpad » Tue Jun 15, 2010 10:10 pm
Thanks Experts

It seems to be a very good discussion. It is much more better than OE.
I am very happy that I understood about all options in details.

If somebody still seed OE, I can post it.

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by martin.jonson007 » Wed Jun 16, 2010 2:41 am
Thanks Testluv.. Thanks Stacey...

yr comments are very useful and gud concept builders....

Great...!