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by sk818020 » Tue May 25, 2010 9:19 pm
ansumania wrote:oops ..my bad...I wanted to know why E can't be correct. .......
The only way E could be correct is if animals have not always been in the water using the salt. If animals all the sudden started using up a bunch of salt than this assumption would be relevant. On the other hand, if animals have been in the ocean all of the time, then E doesn't matter. That passage doesn't indicate anything about animal usage of salt, so this is not an assumption that the argument relies on.

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by ssgmatter » Thu May 27, 2010 6:58 am
kevincanspain wrote:The argument claims that by examining a time sample of the last one hundred years, we can estimate the age of the oceans. Yet how do we know that the last 100 years were representative of the history of the earth in terms of salt deposits in the oceans? Likewise, how do we know that the transactions in your bank account in the past 6 months are representative of the past decade?
However, I am still not convinced what is the problem with E......If salts are used up for biological activity then the salt level will go down and hence age cannot be determined.....So E has to be assumed and not A....

Please advise where I am going wrong
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by DanaJ » Sat May 29, 2010 11:51 pm
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I guess it's clear why A is a good choice: we cannot draw any conclusions on history unless we know for sure it's been the same.

However, I too initially thought E was a reasonable option. But there's a problem: if you take the increase in the past hundred years, this increase has occurred WHILE animals were in the water processing salts. So the increase in the past hundred years is basically a net amount of salt, equal to the amount of salt brought in by the rivers MINUS what's being used up by the animals. This increase in the past hundred years is therefore reliable, since it also takes into account what animals take up. This is why E can't be the answer choice: even if some animals were using salts, then it really doesn't matter.

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by ssgmatter » Sun May 30, 2010 12:16 am
DanaJ wrote:Received a PM.

I guess it's clear why A is a good choice: we cannot draw any conclusions on history unless we know for sure it's been the same.

However, I too initially thought E was a reasonable option. But there's a problem: if you take the increase in the past hundred years, this increase has occurred WHILE animals were in the water processing salts. So the increase in the past hundred years is basically a net amount of salt, equal to the amount of salt brought in by the rivers MINUS what's being used up by the animals. This increase in the past hundred years is therefore reliable, since it also takes into account what animals take up. This is why E can't be the answer choice: even if some animals were using salts, then it really doesn't matter.
So that means arg is assuming that there were some animals already in river that were consuming salts and hence leading to net increase in salt level?...Please correct me

Can you please explain A in more details
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by DanaJ » Sun May 30, 2010 12:44 am
Yes, you are right about E.

A is the argument of consistency: if you do not have a consistent flow of salt for the past millions of years, then you cannot draw any conclusions based on the amounts for the past hundred years.

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by ssgmatter » Sun May 30, 2010 3:21 am
DanaJ wrote:Yes, you are right about E.

A is the argument of consistency: if you do not have a consistent flow of salt for the past millions of years, then you cannot draw any conclusions based on the amounts for the past hundred years.


I think then it is too much of assumption here.....I mean we have to assume that there were animales in the river consuming salt and after excluding there consumption thing, we get the rate of net increase in the salt level which can then be used to measure the age of the earth....

I will take A for now but would really dig more into this to get a deeper sense of understanding of such kind of arguments

Is this really a GMAT type?
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by DanaJ » Sun May 30, 2010 3:47 am
I think it's safe to say that E would not pop up as an alternative answer on test day. What I assumed to explain it does go a bit too far.

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by kevincanspain » Sun May 30, 2010 7:55 am
ssgmatter wrote:The Earth's rivers constantly carry dissolved salts into its oceans. Clearly, therefore, by taking the resulting increase in salt levels in the oceans over the past hundred years and then determining how many centuries of such increases it would have taken the oceans to reach current salt levels from a hypothetical initial salt-free state, the maximum age of the Earth's oceans can be accurately estimated.

Which of the following is an assumption on which the argument depends?

A. The quantities of dissolved salts deposited by rivers in the Earth's oceans have not been unusually large during the past hundred years.

B. At any given time, all the Earth's rivers have about the same salt levels.

C. There are salts that leach into the Earth's oceans directly from the ocean floor.

D. There is no method superior to that based on salt levels for estimating the maximum age of the Earth's oceans.

E. None of the salts carried into the Earth's oceans by rivers are used up by biological activity in the oceans

I chose E which makes the most sense because it has to be assumed that the salt level is not used for any other purpose so as to measure the age of the Earth

Am I correct??..

Please share your thoughts guys

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E is not assumed: if the salts are used up at a constant rate, the arugment may be perfectly valid
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