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by vineeshp » Thu Mar 31, 2011 7:53 am
If ab ≠ 0 and points (-a, b) and (-b, a) are in the same quadrant of the xy-plane, is point (-x, y)
in this same quadrant?
(1) xy > 0
(2) ax > 0

OA is C

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by Geva@EconomistGMAT » Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:19 am
A quadrant is a certain configuration of x and y on the positive/negative line.

For example, all of the points in the first quadrant will have a positive x coordinate and a negative y coordinate.
All of the points in the second quadrant will have a negative x and a positive y.
III: negative x, negative y.
IV: Positive x, negative y.

so if the points are in the same quadrant, it means that the x and y coordinates of the two points have the same sign between them. We don't know which quadrant, but we know that
-a and -b are positive or negative together: either both positive or both negative. the same goes for the y coordinates, but it's the same message: a and b have the same sign.
when asking if the point -x,y is in the same quadrant, the question is asking whether -x has the same sign of -a and -b, and whether y has the same sign as a and b: basically, do x and y share the same sign as a and b.

Stat. (1) tells you that x and y share the same sign: either both positive, or both negative.
IS, since you don't know anything about a and b.

Stat. (2) tells you that a and x share the same sign: either both positive or both negative. ALONE, this is insufficient, since we don;t know anything about y; But
combined, we know that a has the same sign as x (stat. (2)), and x in turn has the same sign as y (stat. (1)), so it follows that x and y have the same sign as a (and b, from the question stem). So regardless of which quadrant it is, we know that the point x and y will have the same carachteristics as the other two points, and the answer is a definite "yes". Sufficient.
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by tpr-becky » Thu Mar 31, 2011 9:38 am
I agree with GIVA. This is a negative positive quesiton and the key is to figure out what is implied because (-a,b) and (-b,a) are in the same quadrant. you can do this by picking some numbers or by a clear understanding of the neg/pos. relationship. then you need to understand that you need neg/pos information for both a,b and x,y - because a,b could be either both positive or both negative and then we have to relate x and y to a and b.

1 ) doesn't talke about a and b so can't be sufficient.
2) this relates a to x - says they both have to be the same sign but give no infomation about y and b. so it is not sufficient.

if you combine them you find that both x and y are the same sign and that a and x are the same sign. we already knew that a and b must be the same sign therefor all four numbers have to be the same sign and together it the statements are sufficient.
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