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kiranlegend wrote:I chose B because illustrates and treaties are parallel. But never do i know that relation of one nation with another is unidiomatic..
whoa there.

"illustrates" is a verb.
"treaties" is a noun.
those can't be parallel!

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kiranlegend wrote:I have questions relating to 'that' in this question: could you please let me know what does 'that' in A, B and E refers to?
it's a relative pronoun. here's an analogy first:
here's the cat that showed up on my doorstep.
in this sentence, 'that' is a relative pronoun that stands for the cat.

in EVERY choice except (d), "that" refers to "episodes". the prepositional phrases that follow are disposable, and don't affect the correspondence between "that" and "episodes". this correspondence works the same way as the correspondence between "that" and "cat" in the simple example sentence above.

you may be troubled by the correspondence of the relative pronoun "that" with a noun that's not located directly next to it. if so, check out problem #50 in the diagnostic test of the 11th edition o.g. (the diagnostic test in the front - NOT #50 in the regular sentence correction chapter), in which there's a "that" modifier that acts in exactly the same way.

in fact, the overall construction of the correct answer in this problem is quite similar to the o.g. diagnostic problem mentioned above; it's quite possible that the question writer based this problem on that one (although the nature of the wrong answer choices is quite different).
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lunarpower wrote:
kiranlegend wrote:I chose B because illustrates and treaties are parallel. But never do i know that relation of one nation with another is unidiomatic..
whoa there.

"illustrates" is a verb.
"treaties" is a noun.
those can't be parallel!

watch your parts of speech!
kiranlegend wrote:I have questions relating to 'that' in this question: could you please let me know what does 'that' in A, B and E refers to?
it's a relative pronoun. here's an analogy first:
here's the cat that showed up on my doorstep.
in this sentence, 'that' is a relative pronoun that stands for the cat.

in EVERY choice except (d), "that" refers to "episodes". the prepositional phrases that follow are disposable, and don't affect the correspondence between "that" and "episodes". this correspondence works the same way as the correspondence between "that" and "cat" in the simple example sentence above.

you may be troubled by the correspondence of the relative pronoun "that" with a noun that's not located directly next to it. if so, check out problem #50 in the diagnostic test of the 11th edition o.g. (the diagnostic test in the front - NOT #50 in the regular sentence correction chapter), in which there's a "that" modifier that acts in exactly the same way.

in fact, the overall construction of the correct answer in this problem is quite similar to the o.g. diagnostic problem mentioned above; it's quite possible that the question writer based this problem on that one (although the nature of the wrong answer choices is quite different).
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Yeah, my bad that is a big blunder :oops:


coming to the subject of 'that'..

So, if there is any sentence in the format ... noun 1 of noun2 that... , that refers to noun 1 right as noun2 is set of by a preposition 'of'?

consider the shortened question below:

Dr. Sayre’s lecture recounted several little-known episodes in the relations
between nations that illustrates what is wrong with alliances and treaties that do not have popular support.

(B) relation of one nation with another that illustrates
(C) relations between nations that illustrate

Here, is 'in the relation.. ' a prepositional phrase? if it's not a prepositional phrase, that refers to relation and relations in choices B and C. Sorry for the trouble, but i was trying to understand this 'that' aspect clearly..

thanks for your advanced reply:)

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Re: Dr. Sayre’s lecture recounted several

by Jatinder » Fri Nov 07, 2008 7:11 am
lunarpower wrote:
kiranlegend wrote:I chose B because illustrates and treaties are parallel. But never do i know that relation of one nation with another is unidiomatic..
whoa there.

"illustrates" is a verb.
"treaties" is a noun.
those can't be parallel!

watch your parts of speech!
kiranlegend wrote:I have questions relating to 'that' in this question: could you please let me know what does 'that' in A, B and E refers to?
it's a relative pronoun. here's an analogy first:
here's the cat that showed up on my doorstep.
in this sentence, 'that' is a relative pronoun that stands for the cat.

in EVERY choice except (d), "that" refers to "episodes". the prepositional phrases that follow are disposable, and don't affect the correspondence between "that" and "episodes". this correspondence works the same way as the correspondence between "that" and "cat" in the simple example sentence above.

you may be troubled by the correspondence of the relative pronoun "that" with a noun that's not located directly next to it. if so, check out problem #50 in the diagnostic test of the 11th edition o.g. (the diagnostic test in the front - NOT #50 in the regular sentence correction chapter), in which there's a "that" modifier that acts in exactly the same way.

in fact, the overall construction of the correct answer in this problem is quite similar to the o.g. diagnostic problem mentioned above; it's quite possible that the question writer based this problem on that one (although the nature of the wrong answer choices is quite different).

Inference-- Remove the prepositional phrases to get the proper antecedant.

So if do the same for the following question, I would be removing the prepositional phrase "to join other clans" to get the antecedant of "whose",
but that would come out as "homes" whereas "whose" is reffering to "clans" here.

Did i misinterpret anything?
Or the above inference is just to check SV agreement?


As rainfall began to decrease in the Southwest about the middle of the twelfth century, most of the Monument Valley Anasazi abandoned their homes to join other clans whose access to water was less limited.

(A) whose access to water was less limited
(B) where there was access to water that was less limited
(C) where they had less limited water access
(D) with less limitations on water access
(E) having less limitations to water access