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by goelmohit2002 » Sun Mar 15, 2009 10:56 am
Hi All,

Can someone please help me in the below question?

I was able to narrow down to [spoiler]"D" and "E"[/spoiler]. OA is [spoiler]"E"[/spoiler]. Can some one please tell why [spoiler]"E"[/spoiler] is preferred over [spoiler]"D"[/spoiler].

Popular child psychologists have advocated that parents discipline male children similarly to the fashion in which they discipline daughters.

a)similarly to the fashion in which they discipline
b) in the same manner that they would use with
c) like they would handle
d) as they discipline
e) as they would

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by ssilver0210 » Sun Mar 15, 2009 1:30 pm
This is tricky. The reason why E is preferred over D, is because the world discipline is already stated in the earlier portion of the sentence, so to state it again would be redundant.

In other words, "as they would daughters," implies "as they would discipline daughters." It's more concise to leave out the word discipline in the end, because it's already been used once before.
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by goelmohit2002 » Sun Mar 15, 2009 6:40 pm
This is indeed tricky.

to me "as they would daughters" looks really awkward. Wouldn't it be better if we say either of the following and IMO GMAT prefers clearity too.

a) as they would discipline daughters
b) as they discipline daughters

Even if we say "discipline" is redundant in the OA, then why redundancy error is given higher preference over clearity issue ?

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by ssilver0210 » Sun Mar 15, 2009 7:04 pm
"Parents should discipline sons as they would discipline daughters, is redundant, and wordy."


Parents should discipline sons as they would daughters is more concise. It's really not awkward because the second "discipline" is implied by the first.
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by goelmohit2002 » Sun Mar 15, 2009 7:20 pm
But IMO "would" tells future hypothetical event.

so IMO "E" says parents should discipline their sons like the way they will do with daughters "whenever" they will have daughters. And it is also possible that they may or may not have daughters at all. :-)

But the original sentence says that parents should discipline their sons like the way they "normally do" with daughters.

So isn't "E" changing the meaning of the original sentence too. Please correct if my understanding is wrong here.

And "D" is what parallels with line of thought of original sentence.

And as per my understanding....we can kick out all the answer choices that changes the meaning of original sentence as the first filter and all the grammar rules come after that.

Please tell what I am missing here.

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by ssilver0210 » Sun Mar 15, 2009 7:50 pm
It's saying that parents should discipline their sons like they would discipline their daughters, if their daughters needed to be disciplined. It's not changing the meaning of the sentence.

As for D, again, just note the word "discipline" being used twice, which although clear (you're correct in that respect) is still redundant, and wordy.
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by goelmohit2002 » Sun Mar 15, 2009 8:18 pm
Hi Sean,

Can you please tell....can you please tell is there a difference in the meaning of following two sentences or both mean the same ?

1. psychologists have advocated that parents discipline male children as they discipline daughters.
2. psychologists have advocated that parents discipline male children as they "would" discipline daughters.

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by ssilver0210 » Sun Mar 15, 2009 8:50 pm
The second sentence is proper. The first sentence is slightly confusing. It could mean that parents should discipline both male and female children at the same time. In other words, as they are disciplining their sons, they should discipline their daughters.

The second sentence is more clear, in that it states that parents should discipline their daughters in the same manner as they discipline their sons.
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by delhiboy1979 » Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:08 am
Mohit,

What is the source of the question, even I would have picked optin D over E.
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by goelmohit2002 » Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:11 am
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by goelmohit2002 » Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:56 am
ssilver0210 wrote:This is tricky. The reason why E is preferred over D, is because the world discipline is already stated in the earlier portion of the sentence, so to state it again would be redundant.

In other words, "as they would daughters," implies "as they would discipline daughters." It's more concise to leave out the word discipline in the end, because it's already been used once before.
Can you please tell in which case we should ignore the words like "daughters" here and in which it will be improper to leave ?

For e.g. He works as hard as his father "does".

Kindly tell in the above sentence "does"
a) is required
b) not required and is ok to be left.

Basically how to figure out the things are implied automatically or not ?

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by scoobydooby » Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:15 am
He works as hard as his father does =(works)

does is required in the above sentence. here "does" stands for "works".
if you omit the "does" it says "as hard as his father" implying his father is hard which makes no sense.

the key is to check if the verb which is being compared is implicit in the sentence. if not implicit, then we need to repeat the verb or something that replaces the verb- "does" in the above case
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by shargaur » Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:45 pm
There is something in grammer known as ellipsis

ELLIPSIS: The ommission from a sentence of words that are clearly understood. Ellipses is perfectly acceptable as long as its' done properly.

E.g. I have seen more movies this year than you have seen movies this year.

=> I've seen more movies this year than you have.

So IMO E, as both convey same meaning but E is shorter and shorter is sweet.
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by goelmohit2002 » Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:01 pm
Thanks shargaur.

But how to find out whether it is acceptable or not ?

For e.g. in the work hard example.... logically we are saying that both he and his father are equally hard workers. So why leaving "does" is wrong there and is ok to leave the verb in your movie example.

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by goelmohit2002 » Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:50 am
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