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A newly discovered painting on wooden panel by Michelangelo must have been completed after 1507 but before 1509. It cannot have been painted earlier than 1507 because one of its central figures carries a coin that was not minted until that year. It cannot have been painted after 1509 because it contains a pigment that Michelangelo is known to have abandoned when a cheaper alternative became available in that year.

Which of the following is an assumption on which the argument depends?
A)No stocks of the abandoned pigment existed after 1509.
B)Michelangelo did not work on the painting over the course of several years.
C)The coin depicted in the painting was known to general public in 1507.
D)The wooden panel on which the painting was executed cannot be tested accurately for age.
E)Michelangelo's painting style did not change between 1507 and 1509.

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by sunnyjohn » Sun Jun 12, 2011 4:42 am
IMO A

Actually C also looks promising, if the coin was not known to public (Assume Painter is a part of general public), then author conclusion falls apart.

but still "A" looks better if we were to assume further that Question is talking about "No stock exist with painter", but A may be rejected if we think that "No stock exist in the market after 1509".

Overall a nice Question...looking forward for correct answer.

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by Geva@EconomistGMAT » Sun Jun 12, 2011 5:26 am
sameerballani wrote:A newly discovered painting on wooden panel by Michelangelo must have been completed after 1507 but before 1509. It cannot have been painted earlier than 1507 because one of its central figures carries a coin that was not minted until that year. It cannot have been painted after 1509 because it contains a pigment that Michelangelo is known to have abandoned when a cheaper alternative became available in that year.

Which of the following is an assumption on which the argument depends?
A)No stocks of the abandoned pigment existed after 1509.
B)Michelangelo did not work on the painting over the course of several years.
C)The coin depicted in the painting was known to general public in 1507.
D)The wooden panel on which the painting was executed cannot be tested accurately for age.
E)Michelangelo's painting style did not change between 1507 and 1509.

[spoiler]OA: Later[/spoiler]
The answer is B, but it's difficult to see without trying to predict what the answer should do before going to the answer choices. For many assumption questions, the key is to think critically - think about what would weaken the conclusion. Attacking an argument is a good way to expose the underlying assumptions that the author makes, but does not state.

There are actually two sets of premises and conclusions in this argument:
Premise: the painting contains a coin that was not available before 1507.
Conclusion: the painting was not painted before 1507.

AND

Premise: Painting contained a pigment that Michelangelo abandoned in 1509.
Conclusion: The painting was finished by 1509

the second one is easier to attack: the fact that the painting contained a pigment (not painted entirely in the pigment - just contained the pigment) does not by itself say that Michelangelo could not continue working on painting beyond 1509 using different kinds of pigments.

The first is attacked in the same manner: the fact that part of the painting (in this case, a coin) has a "not before 1507" date does not meant that the painting as a whole was painted after 1507: It is possible that other parts of the painting were painted before 1507, with the coin added AFTER 1507 at a later stage.

These are weakening hypotheses, not found in the text, but they expose the assumption - the author is assuming that "expiry dates" on parts of the painting represent the entire painting as a whole - that if he started on the coin in 1507, he started the entire painting at 1507, and if he finished with the pigment in 1509, he must have finished the entire painting before that time.

B works against that assumption: If Michelangelo paused in his work on the painting, that would explain why the painting could be painted outside of the range, with only the relevant parts painted within the range. Therefore, in reaching his conclusion that the parts represent the whole, the author must assume that the painting was painted more or less within a short period of time - a year or two. B is a necessary assumption because it eliminates a possible counter explanation that would weaken the conclusion.
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by sameerballani » Sun Jun 12, 2011 8:37 am
Nice exlanation Geva. Thanks
I kind of got your point. But when i attempted this question I chose option C
C)The coin depicted in the painting was known to general public in 1507.
As you have told and shown, if we see the first set of premise and conclusion. It oncludes that painting was not painted before 1507. So i thought that it is the assumpltion of author that the coin,which was minted, was only revealed/shown to public in 1507 when it was minted and not before that. So this is kind of assumption to conclude that painting wasn't painted before 1507

After going through your explanation. I now feel the sort of reasoning i have given is also applicable to option A, considering 2nd set of premise and conclusion. Hence we can conclude both are not the answers ;) :) So only left with option B :) :)

But one more thing, i ignored option B while attempting, because i thought that instead of assumption it is restating what is already given in the argument. Painnting was not made before 1507 and was not made after 1509.
That means painting was made between 1507 and 1509.
Now i Understand another conclusion can be painting was made from 1507 and 1509.

I am bit confused... could you please elaborate. and explain me where i am going wrong.

Thanks
Geva@MasterGMAT wrote:
sameerballani wrote:A newly discovered painting on wooden panel by Michelangelo must have been completed after 1507 but before 1509. It cannot have been painted earlier than 1507 because one of its central figures carries a coin that was not minted until that year. It cannot have been painted after 1509 because it contains a pigment that Michelangelo is known to have abandoned when a cheaper alternative became available in that year.

Which of the following is an assumption on which the argument depends?
A)No stocks of the abandoned pigment existed after 1509.
B)Michelangelo did not work on the painting over the course of several years.
C)The coin depicted in the painting was known to general public in 1507.
D)The wooden panel on which the painting was executed cannot be tested accurately for age.
E)Michelangelo's painting style did not change between 1507 and 1509.

[spoiler]OA: Later[/spoiler]
The answer is B, but it's difficult to see without trying to predict what the answer should do before going to the answer choices. For many assumption questions, the key is to think critically - think about what would weaken the conclusion. Attacking an argument is a good way to expose the underlying assumptions that the author makes, but does not state.

There are actually two sets of premises and conclusions in this argument:
Premise: the painting contains a coin that was not available before 1507.
Conclusion: the painting was not painted before 1507.

AND

Premise: Painting contained a pigment that Michelangelo abandoned in 1509.
Conclusion: The painting was finished by 1509

the second one is easier to attack: the fact that the painting contained a pigment (not painted entirely in the pigment - just contained the pigment) does not by itself say that Michelangelo could not continue working on painting beyond 1509 using different kinds of pigments.

The first is attacked in the same manner: the fact that part of the painting (in this case, a coin) has a "not before 1507" date does not meant that the painting as a whole was painted after 1507: It is possible that other parts of the painting were painted before 1507, with the coin added AFTER 1507 at a later stage.

These are weakening hypotheses, not found in the text, but they expose the assumption - the author is assuming that "expiry dates" on parts of the painting represent the entire painting as a whole - that if he started on the coin in 1507, he started the entire painting at 1507, and if he finished with the pigment in 1509, he must have finished the entire painting before that time.

B works against that assumption: If Michelangelo paused in his work on the painting, that would explain why the painting could be painted outside of the range, with only the relevant parts painted within the range. Therefore, in reaching his conclusion that the parts represent the whole, the author must assume that the painting was painted more or less within a short period of time - a year or two. B is a necessary assumption because it eliminates a possible counter explanation that would weaken the conclusion.

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by Geva@EconomistGMAT » Sun Jun 12, 2011 11:51 pm
sameerballani wrote:Nice exlanation Geva. Thanks
I kind of got your point. But when i attempted this question I chose option C
C)The coin depicted in the painting was known to general public in 1507.
As you have told and shown, if we see the first set of premise and conclusion. It oncludes that painting was not painted before 1507. So i thought that it is the assumpltion of author that the coin,which was minted, was only revealed/shown to public in 1507 when it was minted and not before that. So this is kind of assumption to conclude that painting wasn't painted before 1507

After going through your explanation. I now feel the sort of reasoning i have given is also applicable to option A, considering 2nd set of premise and conclusion. Hence we can conclude both are not the answers ;) :) So only left with option B :) :)

But one more thing, i ignored option B while attempting, because i thought that instead of assumption it is restating what is already given in the argument. Painnting was not made before 1507 and was not made after 1509.
That means painting was made between 1507 and 1509.
Now i Understand another conclusion can be painting was made from 1507 and 1509.

I am bit confused... could you please elaborate. and explain me where i am going wrong.

Thanks
Two things you're not doing right:

1) You're forcing your own interpretation on the answer choices, instead of reading what's actually there. Answer choice C just says" the coin was known to the public" - but you took it to "the coin was ONLY known to the public in 1507. Likewise, the argument says that Michelangelo abandoned the use of the pigment after 1509 - there's no need to assume that the stocks ran out as well. Even if there were stocks of the paint around, the fact is that Michelangelo abandoned the use of the pigment. Both A and C are completely irrelevant to the argument, but to see this (without "bending" them to fit some sort of logic) you need to -

2) Summarize the argument and come up with your own prediction of what the right answer choice should do - see my previous post. If you have an idea of what you're looking for, you are less likely to be swayed by tangents and answer choices that "seem" connected.
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by tanviet » Mon Aug 08, 2011 9:02 pm
Geva@MasterGMAT wrote:
sameerballani wrote:A newly discovered painting on wooden panel by Michelangelo must have been completed after 1507 but before 1509. It cannot have been painted earlier than 1507 because one of its central figures carries a coin that was not minted until that year. It cannot have been painted after 1509 because it contains a pigment that Michelangelo is known to have abandoned when a cheaper alternative became available in that year.

Which of the following is an assumption on which the argument depends?
A)No stocks of the abandoned pigment existed after 1509.
B)Michelangelo did not work on the painting over the course of several years.
C)The coin depicted in the painting was known to general public in 1507.
D)The wooden panel on which the painting was executed cannot be tested accurately for age.
E)Michelangelo's painting style did not change between 1507 and 1509.

[spoiler]OA: Later[/spoiler]
The answer is B, but it's difficult to see without trying to predict what the answer should do before going to the answer choices. For many assumption questions, the key is to think critically - think about what would weaken the conclusion. Attacking an argument is a good way to expose the underlying assumptions that the author makes, but does not state.

There are actually two sets of premises and conclusions in this argument:
Premise: the painting contains a coin that was not available before 1507.
Conclusion: the painting was not painted before 1507.

AND

Premise: Painting contained a pigment that Michelangelo abandoned in 1509.
Conclusion: The painting was finished by 1509

the second one is easier to attack: the fact that the painting contained a pigment (not painted entirely in the pigment - just contained the pigment) does not by itself say that Michelangelo could not continue working on painting beyond 1509 using different kinds of pigments.

The first is attacked in the same manner: the fact that part of the painting (in this case, a coin) has a "not before 1507" date does not meant that the painting as a whole was painted after 1507: It is possible that other parts of the painting were painted before 1507, with the coin added AFTER 1507 at a later stage.

These are weakening hypotheses, not found in the text, but they expose the assumption - the author is assuming that "expiry dates" on parts of the painting represent the entire painting as a whole - that if he started on the coin in 1507, he started the entire painting at 1507, and if he finished with the pigment in 1509, he must have finished the entire painting before that time.

B works against that assumption: If Michelangelo paused in his work on the painting, that would explain why the painting could be painted outside of the range, with only the relevant parts painted within the range. Therefore, in reaching his conclusion that the parts represent the whole, the author must assume that the painting was painted more or less within a short period of time - a year or two. B is a necessary assumption because it eliminates a possible counter explanation that would weaken the conclusion.
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I choose B and agree that B attacks the assumption you explain.
But, The problem is A choice.
negation of A means there is pigment after the year 1509 and POSSIBLY the painter use that stock of pigment. This POSSIBILITY is enough to weaken conclusion and makes A an assumption.
Why is A wrong?

In the following gmatprep question, the case is similar.

It is theoretically possible that bacteria developed on Mars early in its history and that some were carried to Earth by a meteorite. However, strains of bacteria from different planets would probably have substantial differences in protein structure that would persist over time, and no two bacterial strains on Earth are different enough to have arisen on different planets. So, even if bacteria did arrive on Earth from Mars, they must have died out.
The argument is most vulnerable to which of the following criticisms?

(A) It fails to estabilish whether bacteria actually developed on Mars

(B) it fails to establish how likely it is that Martian bacteria were transported to Earth

(C) It fails to consider whether there were means other than meteorites by which Martian bacteria could have been carried to Earth.

(D) It fails to consider whether all bacteria now on Earth could have arisen from transported Martian bacteria.

(E) It fails to consider whether there could have been strains of bacteria that originated on Earth and later died out.

why E is wrong . it is ok that D is OA