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by kstv » Sun May 23, 2010 8:07 pm
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IMO E
The dist. has bought more than he/she could sell in summer. Maybe, just to avail of the sp. discount. He/she will have to sell them in the next qtrs. and will not like to increase the inventory again in the fall qtr.

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by liferocks » Sun May 23, 2010 9:42 pm
I will go with E
Here the manufacturer has assumed that all distributor have exhausted the stock or will like to stockpile which might not be the case.Point E clearly mentions that.
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by ansumania » Tue May 25, 2010 4:00 pm
In C ; it says the ones who qualify are the ones with the least orders last year.

If that is true there 20% increase in order will be relatively fewer in no. . They would still qualify for the discount .

That would result in loss for the company supplying them.

will someone pl. explain what is wrong with this ?

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by ansumania » Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:16 pm
I am posting the question again. The text in the attachment was not clear last time.

An eyeglass manufacturer tried to boost sales for the summer quarter by offering its distributors a special discount if their orders for their quarter exceeded those for last year's summer quarter by at least 20 %. Many distributors qualified for this discount.Even with much merchandise discounted , sales increased enough to produce a healthy gain in net profits . The manufacturer plans to repeat this success by offering the same sort of discount for the fall quarter.

which of the following , if true, most clearly points to a flaw in the manufacturer's plan to repeat the successful performance of the summer quarter?
A- In general, a distributor's orders for the summer quarter are no higher than those of the spring quarter.

B-Along with offering special discounts to qualifying distributors, the manufacturer increased newspaper and radio advertising in those distributors' sales areas.

C- The distributors most likely to qualify for the manufacturer's special discount are those whose orders were unusually low a year earlier.


D-The distributors who qualified for the manufacturer's special discount were free to decide how much of that discount to pass on to their customers.

E-The distributor's ordering more goods in the summer quarter left them overstocked for the fall quarter.

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by brijesh » Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:41 pm
ansumania wrote:In C ; it says the ones who qualify are the ones with the least orders last year.

If that is true there 20% increase in order will be relatively fewer in no. . They would still qualify for the discount .

That would result in loss for the company supplying them.

will someone pl. explain what is wrong with this ?

In aurgument it is mentioned : Even with much merchandise discounted , sales increased enough to produce a healthy gain in net profits.

So even if as mentioned in option C- (The distributors most likely to qualify for the manufacturer's special discount are those whose orders were unusually low a year earlier.), the no of retailers will be more- to increase the sale and thus the profit.

I think option A, makes better sense.

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by brijesh » Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:42 pm
brijesh wrote:
ansumania wrote:In C ; it says the ones who qualify are the ones with the least orders last year.

If that is true there 20% increase in order will be relatively fewer in no. . They would still qualify for the discount .

That would result in loss for the company supplying them.

will someone pl. explain what is wrong with this ?

In argument it is mentioned : Even with much merchandise discounted , sales increased enough to produce a healthy gain in net profits.

So even if as mentioned in option C- (The distributors most likely to qualify for the manufacturer's special discount are those whose orders were unusually low a year earlier.), the no of retailers will be more- to increase the sale and thus the profit.

I think option A, makes better sense.

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by Testluv » Wed Jun 02, 2010 10:03 pm
Hi ansumania,

The correct answer is choice E. If the distributors bought more in the summer but didn't sell a lot of the inventory, then it is unlikely that they will buy a whole bunch in the fall, and thus the plan is less likely to work in the fall.

Choice C doesn't matter. We don't care if the distributors more likely to qualify are those that wouldn't have last year. The point is that if any distributor qualifies for the discount, then that means the manufacturer's sales increase. It's true that the increase would have been bigger had it not been a distributor whose sales were unusually low the last year--but there is still an increase.

Choice A is an irrelevant comparison--we are going from summer to fall--spring is irrelevant.

By the way, there is a design problem with this question. The question asks for a flaw. Therefore, the answer choices should all be putative descriptions of the arguer's mistaken reasoning process. Here, all the choices are new facts. In other words the question asks us for a flaw but gives us answer choices that should go with a weaken question. In other words, the question stem should have read: "which of the following, if true, weakens the argument?"

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by kevincanspain » Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:59 pm
It's GMATPrep. We should note that the question asks for a flaw in their plan, and as Testluv explained, that they have offered this discount so recently and successfully makes it impossible for such a plan to achieve its objective. I suppose that GMATPrep considers this a flawed plan since the plan itself gives us reason to believe that E is likely to be true.
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by Testluv » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:09 am
kevincanspain wrote:It's GMATPrep. We should note that the question asks for a flaw in their plan, and as Testluv explained, that they have offered this discount so recently and successfully makes it impossible for such a plan to achieve its objective. I suppose that GMATPrep considers this a flawed plan since the plan itself gives us reason to believe that E is likely to be true.
Well, that makes sense. But the rest of the choices are really kind of unusual in a flaw question. Anyways, interpreted in this fashion, the rest of the choices really make no sense since the plan gives us absolutely no reason to believe in them whatsoever. If one catches the proper interpretation, then, this question is super-simple. Thanks.
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by Stacey Koprince » Fri Jun 04, 2010 10:21 am
Received a PM asking me to respond. I'm not going to read the other responses first, so that I'm not biased. :)

Q: what is a flaw in the EM's plan? (can also think of this as weakening EM's plan)

EM: wants to boost sales
EM's plan: give special discount to distributors IF orders exceed those for equiv. quarter last year by at least 20%
fact: many distrib did qualify for discount
fact: sales increased, "healthy gain" in net profits (despite discounts)
EM's new plan: repeat "the success" by offering the same discount for the next quarter

Note: "the success" would specifically be: in the fall quarter, get distrib to order at least 20% more than they did in the previous fall quarter, which then leads to gain in sales and net profits. That entire thing represents a "successful plan" - ALL parts of it.

It seems as though the debate above is between A, C and E, so I'll address those.

A) Okay. The argument is concerned with the summer and fall quarters. Information about the spring quarter doesn't help me. Nor does the information make the above plan less likely in any way.

C) Okay. That makes sense: the lower the orders were a year ago, the easier it would be in terms of raw numbers to raise the orders 20%. Does it weaken the plan, though? Does it make it less likely that some distrib will order more? No. Does it prevent or make less likely a gain in sales or net profits? No.
They would still qualify for the discount .

That would result in loss for the company supplying them.

will someone pl. explain what is wrong with this ?
I would have thought that too... EXCEPT the argument says "Even with much merchandise discounted , sales increased enough to produce a healthy gain in net profits." So they've already countered the idea that the discount means a loss.

E) Okay. Does this weaken the plan? Hmmm. Yes. It messes up the part that says "get the distributors to order more." If they've already got a bunch of extra merchandise in stock, they aren't going to order as much in this quarter.
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by ansumania » Sat Jun 05, 2010 6:51 am
Stacey Koprince wrote:Received a PM asking me to respond. I'm not going to read the other responses first, so that I'm not biased. :)

Q: what is a flaw in the EM's plan? (can also think of this as weakening EM's plan)

EM: wants to boost sales
EM's plan: give special discount to distributors IF orders exceed those for equiv. quarter last year by at least 20%
fact: many distrib did qualify for discount
fact: sales increased, "healthy gain" in net profits (despite discounts)
EM's new plan: repeat "the success" by offering the same discount for the next quarter

Note: "the success" would specifically be: in the fall quarter, get distrib to order at least 20% more than they did in the previous fall quarter, which then leads to gain in sales and net profits. That entire thing represents a "successful plan" - ALL parts of it.

It seems as though the debate above is between A, C and E, so I'll address those.

A) Okay. The argument is concerned with the summer and fall quarters. Information about the spring quarter doesn't help me. Nor does the information make the above plan less likely in any way.

C) Okay. That makes sense: the lower the orders were a year ago, the easier it would be in terms of raw numbers to raise the orders 20%. Does it weaken the plan, though? Does it make it less likely that some distrib will order more? No. Does it prevent or make less likely a gain in sales or net profits? No.
They would still qualify for the discount .

That would result in loss for the company supplying them.

will someone pl. explain what is wrong with this ?
I would have thought that too... EXCEPT the argument says "Even with much merchandise discounted , sales increased enough to produce a healthy gain in net profits." So they've already countered the idea that the discount means a loss.

E) Okay. Does this weaken the plan? Hmmm. Yes. It messes up the part that says "get the distributors to order more." If they've already got a bunch of extra merchandise in stock, they aren't going to order as much in this quarter.
All: thanks a lot for your responses. That clarified a lot of doubts for me.

Stacey: I still have onr question. I know I might be using some faulty reasoning , but still need it to be clarified.

All the manufacturer wants is a big profit.

The plan worked in the summer quarter, becuase the 20% increse migt have been a big no.. I will try to give an example.

C-
For summer:
Say the total order last year was 100. This year it is more than 120 (at least 20% increase)
Since the manufacturer is giving discount, it is making profit on the other hand because of the increased sale. Say that evens out once the 'additional order' is more that 12 (abs. no.). in that case , the manufacturer would make profit once some distributor orders more than 112. That did happen in summer , so profit.

For fall:
The total sale last year was 50.
This distributor qualifies this fall because it ordered 60 (20% more than last yr).
The manufacturer will not make a large profit (or profit for that instance) as the 'additional order' is not more than 12. This plan will backfire then.
E-
Though the manufacturer is not making a profit as no distributor ordered more than 20% over last yr. as they have inventory, at least the manufacturer is not loosing as it doesn't have to give the discount now.

Pl. provide your input.

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by Testluv » Sat Jun 05, 2010 2:39 pm
As Stacey pointed out the stimulus established that "even with much merchandise discounted , sales increased enough to produce a healthy gain in net profits". So, we can ignore criticisms grounded in the distinction between sales and profit; in other words the scope of the plan is only increased sales, and we are told that this translates into increased profit.

Now, had the stimulus NOT contained the above quoted sentence, then your thinking would definitely be on the right track.
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by Stacey Koprince » Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:12 am
agree with testluv (who was also agreeing with me :))

If they hadn't said that the company could still make a profit despite the discount, then you could apply the logic you were using.

Also:
All the manufacturer wants is a big profit.
No. That is what you assume about the manufacturer. But that is not the complete argument. The complete argument is "in the fall quarter, get distrib to order at least 20% more than they did in the previous fall quarter, which then leads to gain in sales and net profits." We are trying to address that entire thing, not just the last bit about making a profit. The argument is that profits will increase specifically by getting the distrib to order at least 20% more during the fall quarter.

The question is really about whether the plan will work, not just whether they'll increase profits.

You can't just forget that part of it. Otherwise, I could say: Their factory burns down and they have to spend a bunch of money rebuilding, which wipes out their profits. So it doesn't matter whether their plan works because they're going to lose money from some other reason. But you'd never see that on this test because the question is about the entire plan, not just the final goal to increase profits.
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by ansumania » Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:22 am
it was very self explanatory...

thanks to everyone who provided their viewpoints.....