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the number of marbles

by GmatKiss » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:01 pm
There are five jars in a row, each of which contains some marbles in them in strictly increasing order. From left to right, the number of marbles in each jar (except the first one) is multiple of the number of marbles in the jar just before it. The total number of marbles in those five jars is 43. What is the number of marbles in the jar with maximum number of marbles in it?

A. 12
B. 16
C. 21
D. 24
E. 27
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by neelgandham » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:30 pm
[spoiler]OA : D, 24 is the answer[/spoiler]

How ?

I chose back substitution method over the conventional algebra solving.

a) 12 - so the number of marbles in the other jars should be

12 + 6 + 3 + 1 + ? (NP)
12 + 4 + 2 + 1 + ? (NP)
12 + 3 + 1 + ? + ? (NP)

b) 16 - so the number of marbles in the other jars should be

16 + 8 + 4 + 2 + 1 != 43
16 + 4 + 2 + 1 + ? (NP)

c) 21 - so the number of marbles in the other jars should be

21 + 7 + 1 + ? + ? (NP)

d) 24 - so the number of marbles in the other jars should be

24 + 12 + 6 + 3 + 1 !=43
24 + 12 + 4 + 2 + 1 = 43 Yippie !!

e) never mind !

Please correct me if I am wrong !

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by Anurag@Gurome » Mon Oct 17, 2011 10:12 pm
GmatKiss wrote:There are five jars in a row, each of which contains some marbles in them in strictly increasing order. From left to right, the number of marbles in each jar (except the first one) is multiple of the number of marbles in the jar just before it. The total number of marbles in those five jars is 43. What is the number of marbles in the jar with maximum number of marbles in it?
If anyone is looking for the conventional algebraic method, here it is. But this is very lengthy and cumbersome method.

Say, the number of marbles in the jars are p, pq, pqr, pqrs, and pqrst, where q, r, s, and t are the multiplication factors which are integers greater than 1.

So, (p + pq + pqr + pqrs + pqrst) = 43
--> p*(1 + q + qr + qrs + qrst) = 43

As 43 is a prime integer, only possible factorization for 43 is 1*43.
Hence, p must be equal to 1 and the expression in bracket must be equal to 43.

So, (1 + q + qr + qrs + qrst) = 43
--> q*(1 + r + rs + rst) = 42

Now, 42 = 1*42 = 2*21 = 3*14 = 6*7
We have to check for each of the above factorization.
Note that 1*42 is not allowed as that will lead us to q = 1, which is not permissible. Let us check with 42 = 2*21
  • q must be equal to 2 and the expression in bracket must be equal to 21.
    So, (1 + r + rs + rst) = 21
    --> r*(1 + s + st) = 20

    Now, 20 = 1*20 = 2*10 = 4*5
    We have to check for each of the above factorization.
    Note that 1*20 is not allowed as that will lead us to r = 1, which is not permissible. Let us check with 20 = 2*10
    • r must be equal to 2 and the expression in bracket must be equal to 10.
      So, (1 + s + st) = 10
      --> s*(1 + t) = 9

      Now, 9 = 1*9 = 3*3
      We have to check for each of the above factorization.
      Note that 1*9 is not allowed as that will lead us to s = 1, which is not permissible. Let us check with 9 = 3*3
      • s must be equal to 3 and the expression in bracket must be equal to 3.
        So, (1 + t) = 3
        --> t = 2
Hence, p = 1, q = r = 2, s = 3, and t = 2.
Hence, number of marbles in the jars are 1, 2, 4, 12, and 24.
Hence, number of marbles in the jar with maximum number of marbles in it = 24

The correct answer is D.

Note : We are lucky that all our assumptions on the selection of the factorization was correct. If for example, we ended up with t = 1 we have to go back to any point on the past where an assumption took place and take another factorization like 20 = 4*5 or 42 = 3*14 etc.
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by GmatKiss » Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:10 am
Thanks a lot Anurag,

But is this a valid GMAT Q?

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by saketk » Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:25 am
GmatKiss wrote:There are five jars in a row, each of which contains some marbles in them in strictly increasing order. From left to right, the number of marbles in each jar (except the first one) is multiple of the number of marbles in the jar just before it. The total number of marbles in those five jars is 43. What is the number of marbles in the jar with maximum number of marbles in it?

A. 12
B. 16
C. 21
D. 24
E. 27
Sharing my thought process ...

The hint in this question is that the marbles are in multiples i.e there is a common multiplier in this case [ not necessary -- but when I tried this question first I moved ahead with this assumption. It makes the solution very very easy]

Now. since the sum is 43 and so the first number assumed is 16 (simply because if I start with 12 then there are two possible cases either the common multiplier is 2 or 3. in any case the sum will come out very less]

with 16 there are two cases -- common multiplier 2 or 4..

sum will be 16+8+4+2+1 = 31 (less)

Next number I used is 24 ..

24+12+4+2+1 = 43..

Hence answer should be OPTION D

Totally unconventional method.. :)
Last edited by saketk on Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:43 am, edited 1 time in total.

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by saketk » Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:30 am
GmatKiss wrote:Thanks a lot Anurag,

But is this a valid GMAT Q?
I think this is not a GMAT question.

If you see my solution as well then you will see that we have to move ahead with lot of assumptions. Question is doable but it will take time. Also, on the exam day we will already be so nervous that the time period may go up by a minute. IMO.

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by Anurag@Gurome » Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:33 am
saketk wrote:...start with 3.. 24+9+6+3+1 (all are multiple of 3) = 43
Neither 9 is a multiple of 6 nor 24 is of 9.
GmatKiss wrote:But is this a valid GMAT Q?
It is unlikely to appear in GMAT but it is well within the reach of what GMAT asks for.
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by saketk » Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:41 am
Anurag@Gurome wrote:
saketk wrote:...start with 3.. 24+9+6+3+1 (all are multiple of 3) = 43
Neither 9 is a multiple of 6 nor 24 is of 9.
Amended my post. Thanks. I made a silly mistake there. I assumed that numbers should be multiple of only the 2nd Jar.