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by hongwang9703 » Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:29 pm
Political Analyst: Because our city is a border city, illegal immigration is an important issue in the current race for mayor. Of the two candidates for mayor, one supports a plan that would attempt to deport the city's 9,000 illegal immigrants and the other does not. Surveys consistently show that about 60% of the city's residents are opposed to the plan, while about 35% are in support of the plan. Therefore, the candidate who does not support the plan will win the election for mayor.

All of the following statements weaken the analyst's argument, EXCEPT:
A- In the city at issue, most voters make their voting decisions based on the candidates' positions on abortion.
B- Of the 35% of residents who support the plan, some are willing to consider alternate plans for addressing illegal immigration.
C- Many of the residents who oppose the plan are not registered voters.
D- The candidate who supports the plan is the incumbent mayor, and has been elected to four consecutive terms despite taking controversial positions on many important issues.
E- Just under 30% of the city's residents are illegal immigrants who cannot vote.


The analyst argues that the mayoral candidate who opposes the deportation plan will win the governor's race because 60% of city residents also oppose the plan. The analyst assumes that a majority of residents will vote for this candidate based on his position on illegal immigration. Any statement that calls this assumption into question will weaken the argument. We are looking for the one statement that does NOT call this assumption into question.

(A) This statement calls into question the assumption that voters will cast their ballots based on the illegal immigration issue. Therefore, this statement weakens the analyst's argument.

(B) CORRECT. This does not weaken the argument. In fact, if some of those who support the plan are willing to reconsider, they may ultimately oppose the original plan and decide to vote for the candidate who is also in opposition. If anything, this would help justify the analyst's claim that the candidate who opposes the plan will win the election.

(C) This statement calls into question the assumption that a majority of residents will vote for the candidate who opposes the plan. If many of these residents are not registered voters, they will not be able to vote, regardless of their position on the immigration issue. This weakens the argument.

(D) This calls into question the assumption that the residents will vote based on the illegal immigration issue. This statement shows that voters have a history of voting for the incumbent despite his controversial position on important issues. It is possible that the voters will again vote for the incumbent, even if he has taken an unpopular position on the illegal immigration issue. This weakens the argument.

(E) If just under 30% of the residents are illegal immigrants, it is likely that many of the 60% in opposition to the plan are actually illegal immigrants themselves. If these people can't vote, it is less likely that the candidate who opposes the plan will win.



From the explaination provided by the mgmat, choice A has nothin to do with immigration but has to do with abortion! is it an error by the mgmat?
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Re: This answer from gmat is nonsensical!

by Testluv » Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:36 pm
hongwang9703 wrote:Political Analyst: Because our city is a border city, illegal immigration is an important issue in the current race for mayor. Of the two candidates for mayor, one supports a plan that would attempt to deport the city's 9,000 illegal immigrants and the other does not. Surveys consistently show that about 60% of the city's residents are opposed to the plan, while about 35% are in support of the plan. Therefore, the candidate who does not support the plan will win the election for mayor.

All of the following statements weaken the analyst's argument, EXCEPT:
A- In the city at issue, most voters make their voting decisions based on the candidates' positions on abortion.
B- Of the 35% of residents who support the plan, some are willing to consider alternate plans for addressing illegal immigration.
C- Many of the residents who oppose the plan are not registered voters.
D- The candidate who supports the plan is the incumbent mayor, and has been elected to four consecutive terms despite taking controversial positions on many important issues.
E- Just under 30% of the city's residents are illegal immigrants who cannot vote.


The analyst argues that the mayoral candidate who opposes the deportation plan will win the governor's race because 60% of city residents also oppose the plan. The analyst assumes that a majority of residents will vote for this candidate based on his position on illegal immigration. Any statement that calls this assumption into question will weaken the argument. We are looking for the one statement that does NOT call this assumption into question.

(A) This statement calls into question the assumption that voters will cast their ballots based on the illegal immigration issue. Therefore, this statement weakens the analyst's argument.

(B) CORRECT. This does not weaken the argument. In fact, if some of those who support the plan are willing to reconsider, they may ultimately oppose the original plan and decide to vote for the candidate who is also in opposition. If anything, this would help justify the analyst's claim that the candidate who opposes the plan will win the election.

(C) This statement calls into question the assumption that a majority of residents will vote for the candidate who opposes the plan. If many of these residents are not registered voters, they will not be able to vote, regardless of their position on the immigration issue. This weakens the argument.

(D) This calls into question the assumption that the residents will vote based on the illegal immigration issue. This statement shows that voters have a history of voting for the incumbent despite his controversial position on important issues. It is possible that the voters will again vote for the incumbent, even if he has taken an unpopular position on the illegal immigration issue. This weakens the argument.

(E) If just under 30% of the residents are illegal immigrants, it is likely that many of the 60% in opposition to the plan are actually illegal immigrants themselves. If these people can't vote, it is less likely that the candidate who opposes the plan will win.



From the explaination provided by the mgmat, choice A has nothin to do with immigration but has to do with abortion! is it an error by the mgmat?
As a Kaplan Teacher, I would not mind saying that there is an error; but there is no error.

Choice A weakens the argument because it is telling us that most voters don't care about the immigration policy (instead, they care about this other thing, abortion). This makes the author's conclusion--that hte candidate who does not supoprt the immigration-deportation plan will win--less likely to be true. Therefore, it is a weakener.
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by 2010gmat » Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:13 am
@testluv...can you pls elaborate how B does not weaken the claim??

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by Testluv » Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:39 pm
2010gmat wrote:@testluv...can you pls elaborate how B does not weaken the claim??
The argument contends that the candidate who does not support the deportation plan is more likely to win because most of the voters are opposed to plan. Choice B discusses the voters who support the deportation plan. They are willing to reconsider deporting the immigrants. So, in fact, they might actually vote for the candidate who does not support the deportation plan. This would strengthen and not weaken the argument. The OE has it perfectly correct.

Careful: in strengthen questions weakeners are commonly tempting wrong answers and vice-versa; this is even worse when it is an EXCEPT question!
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by hk_4u » Sun Feb 07, 2010 8:00 pm
Hi

Can anyone explain how D weakens the conclusion.

Basically it is saying that a trend exists and it is stronger than the survey results.

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by hrishi19884 » Sun Feb 07, 2010 10:33 pm
hk_4u wrote:Hi

Can anyone explain how D weakens the conclusion.

Basically it is saying that a trend exists and it is stronger than the survey results.
D -- says that the candidate mayor who supports the plan has been elected for the last 4 consecutive years.
This does not mean that he will be definitely elected for this year.

Also, this statement is basically a neutral one, it does not weaken or strengthen the argument.

Similarly is the case in A -abortion is nothing to do with the argument...but again it is a neutral one.

We need an option that would basically strengthen the conclusion drawn by the author that candidate mayor who opposes plan will WIN.


B -does the same.

hope you get it!
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by hk_4u » Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:01 am
@hrishi19884

This is a weaken EXCEPT question. It means that there are 4 choices where will weaken the conclusion . And the correct answer will either strengthen or remain neutral.

This is what Testluv ,a GMAT instructor wrote about option A
Choice A weakens the argument because it is telling us that most voters don't care about the immigration policy (instead, they care about this other thing, abortion). This makes the author's conclusion--that hte candidate who does not supoprt the immigration-deportation plan will win--less likely to be true. Therefore, it is a weakener.
My question still remains the same - how does D weakens the the conclusion ?
Can we consider a trend better than a survey result ?

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by tomada » Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:49 am
I agree that choice 'A' weakens the argument since the 60% vs. 35% statistic would essentially become irrelevant.
However, like hk_4u, I don't clearly see how choice 'D' weakens the argument. If I understand the inference correctly, the 60% vs. 35% statistic becomes less significant (i.e. argument is weakened) because the incumbent mayor was elected to four consecutive terms despite his position on controversial issues. I, too, would make this connection if the question stated that 'immigration' was one of those previous controversial issues. However, I see these (his previous elections and the upcoming election) as 'independent events'. Put another way, why do we necessarily surmise that his past success - even with having minority support on certain issues - should be any indicator of future results? As hk_4u suggested, this would seem to be a non-relationship, or have a neutral effect, such that the argument is neither weakened or strengthened.

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by hrishi19884 » Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:59 am
hk_4u wrote:@hrishi19884

This is a weaken EXCEPT question. It means that there are 4 choices where will weaken the conclusion . And the correct answer will either strengthen or remain neutral.

This is what Testluv ,a GMAT instructor wrote about option A
Choice A weakens the argument because it is telling us that most voters don't care about the immigration policy (instead, they care about this other thing, abortion). This makes the author's conclusion--that hte candidate who does not supoprt the immigration-deportation plan will win--less likely to be true. Therefore, it is a weakener.
My question still remains the same - how does D weakens the the conclusion ?
Can we consider a trend better than a survey result ?
OK ,let me explain......... it is given that the candidate who opposes the plan will win.(at the same time, it is also given that voters consider plan as the important issue for voting)

As per A ----voters cast their vote not on basis of plan but on the basis of another important reason(abortion)

So we can't be sure that candidate who opposes the plan will get 60% votes(because people don't consider plan as important for voting.)

If voters consider plan important then only it will be 35 : 60 voting. Otherwise we are not sure whats the percentage each candidate will get.

if A is true, can we surely say that the candidate who opposes the plan will win? No, we can't

this creates a flaw in authors conclusion that the opposition candidate to the plan will win(we can't surely say that)

Hence, A weakens.
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by hk_4u » Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:09 am
Dear Hrishi

Thanks for your explanation. However you are missing a point. I am not asking a reasoning for the ans choice A .

I and tomada are looking for an explanation why option D is wrong
I don't clearly see how choice 'D' weakens the argument.
why do we necessarily surmise that his past success - even with having minority support on certain issues - should be any indicator of future results?

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by tomada » Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:28 am
I've re-read this question a few times, and I think choice 'D' would go further to weaken the argument if the word "controversial" was replaced with "unpopular" or "minority". This would better indicate that he won prior elections despite the majority of the population being opposed to his position. I think the term controversial is a bit vague or weak in deciding that this choice weakens the argument.

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by hrishi19884 » Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:49 am
tomada wrote:I've re-read this question a few times, and I think choice 'D' would go further to weaken the argument if the word "controversial" was replaced with "unpopular" or "minority". This would better indicate that he won prior elections despite the majority of the population being opposed to his position. I think the term controversial is a bit vague or weak in deciding that this choice weakens the argument.
agreed ..you are right "controversial" means.....some people support it and some people do not support it i.e some good and some bad ...it cannot weaken the argument.

But, read what I had written in my first explanation

"D -- says that the candidate mayor who supports the plan has been elected for the last 4 consecutive years.
This does not mean that he will be definitely elected for this year."

Can we predict future from last 4 years data? No (its an election and not our study performance ;) )

So we cannot say that he will win this year....that weakens authors conclusion.(author says he will win this year)

WE can rule that out in the first place itself.
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by Stuart@KaplanGMAT » Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:40 pm
hk_4u wrote:Dear Hrishi

I and tomada are looking for an explanation why option D is wrong
I don't clearly see how choice 'D' weakens the argument.
why do we necessarily surmise that his past success - even with having minority support on certain issues - should be any indicator of future results?
Here's choice D:

D- The candidate who supports the plan is the incumbent mayor, and has been elected to four consecutive terms despite taking controversial positions on many important issues.

The entire argument is premised on people not voting for someone who disagrees with a majority of the public.

D shows us that the incumbent has taken such positions in the past and has, nevertheless, been elected. In other words, D provides empirical evidence that taking a controversial stand does not prevent one from winning an election in this city.

Accordingly, D weakens the author's conclusion.

Remember: weakening isn't the same as disproving. The fact that the incumbent has overcome unpopular stances in the past doesn't guarantee that she'll win this coming election, but it certainly makes us doubt that it's a sure loss.
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by komal » Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:46 am
hongwang9703 wrote:Political Analyst: Because our city is a border city, illegal immigration is an important issue in the current race for mayor. Of the two candidates for mayor, one supports a plan that would attempt to deport the city's 9,000 illegal immigrants and the other does not. Surveys consistently show that about 60% of the city's residents are opposed to the plan, while about 35% are in support of the plan. Therefore, the candidate who does not support the plan will win the election for mayor.

All of the following statements weaken the analyst's argument, EXCEPT:

According to the question stem above, 4 answer choices should weaken the analyst's argument and 1 should not weaken. Lets see which answer choice DOES NOT weaken the analyst's argument :


A- In the city at issue, most voters make their voting decisions based on the candidates' positions on abortion.
Incorrect : Weakens the argument by showing alternate cause (candidates positions on abortion) for the stated effect (voting decision of voters)

B- Of the 35% of residents who support the plan, some are willing to consider alternate plans for addressing illegal immigration.
Correct : If out of 35% residents who support the plan, some are willing to consider alternate plans, it can be assumed that those ppl would switch side from supporters to non-supporters. This would strengthen the analyst's argument.

C- Many of the residents who oppose the plan are not registered voters.
Incorrect : Issue is not about registered or non-registered voters. Issue is about voters who support the plan and those who dont support the plan. Eliminated.

D- The candidate who supports the plan is the incumbent mayor, and has been elected to four consecutive terms despite taking controversial positions on many important issues.
Incorrect : This weakens the argument by showing that the mayor has taken controversial positions in the past and has still managed to win 4 terms.

E- Just under 30% of the city's residents are illegal immigrants who cannot vote.
Incorrect : If 30% of the city's residents are illegal immigrants who CANNOT vote it is likely that this would effect the candidate who does not support the plan.

Hope this helps : )

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by patanjali.purpose » Mon Jul 16, 2012 10:59 pm
hongwang9703 wrote:Political Analyst: Because our city is a border city, illegal immigration is an important issue in the current race for mayor. Of the two candidates for mayor, one supports a plan that would attempt to deport the city's 9,000 illegal immigrants and the other does not. Surveys consistently show that about 60% of the city's residents are opposed to the plan, while about 35% are in support of the plan. Therefore, the candidate who does not support the plan will win the election for mayor.

All of the following statements weaken the analyst's argument, EXCEPT:
B- Of the 35% of residents who support the plan, some are willing to consider alternate plans for addressing illegal immigration.

E- Just under 30% of the city's residents are illegal immigrants who cannot vote.

(E) If just under 30% of the residents are illegal immigrants, it is likely that many of the 60% in opposition to the plan are actually illegal immigrants themselves. If these people can't vote, it is less likely that the candidate who opposes the plan will win.
I have some doubts about B/E - can anyone help:

B - this choice says 35% residents willing to CONSIDER ALTERNATE PLANS (note, its PLANS not PLAN)- does this mean they will support the plan to deport immigrants. They might even consider completely new plan, for example, ASKING THE IMMIGRANTS TO GO BACK ON THEIR OWN. In such case, argument may not be weakened (candidate supporting deporting plan may win). Can this be an correct WEKAN EXCEPT answer

E - 30% residents (immigrants) could be part of 35% people who support the plan. If so,argument may not be weakened (candidate supporting deporting plan may win). Can this be an correct WEKAN EXCEPT answer

Pls share your thoughts