Can we attack the premise in weakening argument type ques.?

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by theforrestgump » Mon Sep 26, 2011 3:02 pm
David@VeritasPrep wrote:gmattaker20 -

Choice D does not actually attack the premise. Please remember that just as individual numbers matter in the quantitative portion of the exam, individual words are crucial in critical reasoning.

The stimulus states "The gray squirrel, introduced into local woodlands ten years ago, threatens the indigenous population of an endangered owl species, because the squirrels habitual stripping of tree bark destroys the trees in which the owls nest."

Notice the portion that I have placed in bold. The squirrels destroy the trees. It does not matter if they destroy the trees by attacking the lower portion of the trees or the upper part. In the end, the trees are destroyed.

So when D states, "(D) The owls that are threatened build their nests in the tops of trees, but the gray squirrels strip away back from the trunks." This does nothing to contradict the premise that the squirrels destroy the trees. If you are standing at the top of a ladder you would not be okay if I was sawing away at the bottom of the ladder!

To answer your more general question, NO you cannot attack a premise in order to weaken a conclusion. You want to really attack the link between the premise and the conclusion.

Here is a useful little template to use for weaken questions.

Say to yourself,

"Despite the fact that (insert the premise) is true, (insert conclusion) is not necessarily true).

So in this case "Despite the fact that it is true that the poison would only be accessible to rodents, it is not necessarily true that the poison poses no threat to the owls."

So you are looking for the conclusion to be weakened, even though the premises may still be true. It is that link between premise and conclusion that you should focus on.

Happy studying!
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by lunarpower » Sat Oct 15, 2011 11:29 pm
i got a private message regarding this thread some time ago.

regarding "attacking the premises":
one thing that you WILL NOT see in the passages on this test -- even though it happens in the real world all the time -- is *stated facts* that later turn out not to be true.

here's an example argument:
[i[Jim eats more food per day this year than he did last year. therefore, Jim will gain weight this year.[/i]
IN THE REAL WORLD, one very ordinary way to weaken this argument is to say that the original premise is actually a lie -- in other words, to state that jim actually doesn't eat more food per day, and that the first statement is thus erroneous. if that's the case, then the argument is very much weakened, because the entire premise upon which it is based has been shown to be a lie!
HOWEVER ...
ON THE GMAT, no known official problem has ever contained stated facts that are then contradicted (either later in the passage or in the answer choices). therefore, you can trust that weakeners will NOT attack established facts.

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ON THE OTHER HAND
you want to be careful with the word "premise" here, because that is still a vague word -- "premise" could refer either to a stated FACT or to a CLAIM that is drawn in the middle of the argument.

for instance, here's another argument:
Your boyfriend has stayed late at work for the last five days. Therefore, he's probably cheating on you. Thus, you should leave him.
in this argument, the FIRST premise (Your boyfriend has stayed late at work for the last five days) is stated as a fact, so it's a fact; we aren't going to contradict this one.
on the other hand, the second premise (he's probably cheating on you) is NOT a fact; this is an inference that the author draws from the first fact, so, even though it's a premise of the argument, it may well be false.
for instance, an answer choice saying "his company's fiscal year ends tomorrow, and employees typically work long hours at the close of fiscal year" would weaken this argument -- because it contradicts the claim in the 2nd premise. i.e., he really is staying late at work so that he can work, not so that he can cheat.

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short summary:
weakeners won't contradict premises that are facts.
weakeners *may* contradict premises that are claims.

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by the way, memorizing these things from books like powerscore will *not* help you; it will actually hurt you. see, everything i said above is just common sense -- i didn't have to "study" to figure these things out (this is also why i am using real-world examples that are not academic arguments).

if you STOP TRYING TO MEMORIZE RULES from books like powerscore, and instead just step back and consider these things through the window of common sense, you will probably discover that you, too, already know all of these things -- and that the "rules" you're trying to memorize are much, much less accurate than your own common sense.
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by gmattaker20 » Sun Oct 16, 2011 12:01 am
Thanks a lot for replying Ron. As always you not only cleared the mist but added your valuable advice.

Cheers!