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by jain2016 » Sun Dec 13, 2015 5:22 am
Hi Experts ,

Please explain.

Miroslav klose, with 14 goals to his credit, is the second leading goal scorer in football world cups, bettered only by Ronaldo's 15 goals.

A) bettered only by Ronaldo's 15 goals

B) bettered only by Ronaldo, who has 15 goals to his name

C) only bettered y Ronaldo's 15 goals

D) bettered only by Ronaldo and his 15 goals

E) only bettered by Ronaldo , having 15 goals to his name

OAB

Why B is right , because this doesn't have main verb? Whats wrong with A?

Please explain guys.

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by MartyMurray » Sun Dec 13, 2015 6:18 am
Miroslav Klose, with 14 goals to his credit, is the second leading goal scorer in football world cups, bettered only by Ronaldo's 15 goals.

-Look at this sentence from end to end to assess what is going on.

A) bettered only by Ronaldo's 15 goals

-This version incorrectly compares Miroslav Klose to Ronaldo's 15 goals, saying essentially, "Miroslav Klose is bettered only by Ronaldo's 15 goals."

B) bettered only by Ronaldo, who has 15 goals to his name

-This version correctly conveys that Miroslav close is bettered by Ronaldo, who has 15 goals.

C) only bettered by Ronaldo's 15 goals

-This version incorrectly compares Miroslav Klose to Ronaldo's goals.

-Also the placement of only in this version distorts the meaning. The point is not that Klose is only bettered by Ronaldo. The point is that Klose is bettered only by Ronaldo, and nobody else

D) bettered only by Ronaldo and his 15 goals

-This starts off OK, comparing Klose to Ronaldo, but then compares Klose to Ronaldo's goals.

E) only bettered by Ronaldo , having 15 goals to his name

-The placement of only before bettered distorts the meaning. The point is not that Klose is only bettered by Ronaldo. The point is that Klose is bettered only by Ronaldo, and nobody else.

-Also, in this version, the modifier, having 15 goals to his name, which is placed after a comma and in such a way as to modify the entire clause, seems to be referring to Klose rather than to Ronaldo.

So the correct answer is B.
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by jain2016 » Mon Dec 14, 2015 7:25 am
Hi Marty ,

Thanks for your reply.

I understood that option B correctly conveys the meaning , but who has 15 goals to his name doesn't have main verb. So how is this acceptable in GMAT?

Please explain.

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by MartyMurray » Mon Dec 14, 2015 8:06 am
jain2016 wrote:I understood that option B correctly conveys the meaning , but who has 15 goals to his name doesn't have main verb. So how is this acceptable in GMAT?
who has 15 goals to his name is an adjective clause modifying Ronaldo.

I am not clear regarding what issue you are seeing.
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by jain2016 » Mon Dec 14, 2015 8:26 am
Hi Marty ,

Thanks for your reply.

I am looking for a relative clause in this.

For e.g. -- The student who is always the first to arrive for the classes and who always bring his laptop along with him.

The above sentence is wrong because the main verb is missing.

So i just got diverted in that way.

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by vishalwin » Mon Dec 14, 2015 11:13 am
you are seeing it in wrong way!


Read the complete sentence:

Miroslav klose, with 14 goals to his credit, is the second leading goal scorer in football world cups, bettered only by Ronaldo, who has 15 goals to his name.


This sentence is not a fragment.

It says Miroslav klose is bettered only by Ronaldo (who has 15 goals to his name)

who has 15 goals to his name ---> this is part is just a modifier for Ronaldo.



The problem which you are saying is :


Mr Roy, who has recently become a hero.

This sentence is fragment because it doesn't have any VERB.

who has recently become a hero --> this part is just a modifier for Mr. Roy.


Hope this clears your doubt!
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by jain2016 » Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:16 am
It says Miroslav klose is bettered only by Ronaldo(who has 15 goals to his name)
What I understood from your reply is that the above sentence is itself a complete sentence so doesn't need a main verb. Right?






The problem which you are saying is :

Mr Roy, who has recently become a hero.
Also the above is not a complete sentence so we do need a main verb to make it complete right?


Please advise and correct me.

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by vishalwin » Wed Dec 16, 2015 8:46 am
jain2016 wrote:
It says Miroslav klose is bettered only by Ronaldo(who has 15 goals to his name)
What I understood from your reply is that the above sentence is itself a complete sentence so doesn't need a main verb. Right?






The problem which you are saying is :

Mr Roy, who has recently become a hero.
Also the above is not a complete sentence so we do need a main verb to make it complete right?


Please advise and correct me.

Thanks in advance.

SJ



Miroslav klose, with 14 goals to his credit, is the second leading goal scorer in football world bettered only by Ronaldo, who has 15 goals to his name.


BETTERED is the main verb in the above sentence.



Quote:
Mr Roy, who has recently become a hero.
Also the above is not a complete sentence so we do need a main verb to make it complete right?



Yes, the answer for your second question.
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by MartyMurray » Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:20 am
vishalwin wrote:Miroslav klose, with 14 goals to his credit, is the second leading goal scorer in football world bettered only by Ronaldo, who has 15 goals to his name.


BETTERED is the main verb in the above sentence.
Actually, the main verb in the above sentence is is.

In any case, the answer to this question, "What I understood from your reply is that the above sentence is itself a complete sentence so doesn't need a main verb. Right?" is that the sentence already has a main verb, and does not need another main verb within the modifier, who has 15 goals to his name.
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by jain2016 » Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:09 pm
Hi All ,

Thanks for your reply.

Just to confirm. Below please see e.g.

The book that is lying on the table.



The above sentence is complete or not. Is lying is the main verb or not? If not then what is missing in this?

Please advise .

Also if possible , please compare the original example with this one.

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by vishalwin » Fri Dec 18, 2015 12:48 am
This sentence is right.


Is lying is the main verb.


Note: Verb in ING form can't act as main verb.

So lying alone can't act as main verb...hence we need helping verb IS.
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by jain2016 » Fri Dec 18, 2015 6:57 am
Hi Vishalwin ,

What I think is that this sentence is incomplete , because is lying is not the main verb i guess, here it describe the position of the book.

Experts please share your thoughts on this.

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by DavidG@VeritasPrep » Fri Dec 18, 2015 8:07 am
jain2016 wrote:Hi All ,

Thanks for your reply.

Just to confirm. Below please see e.g.

The book that is lying on the table.



The above sentence is complete or not. Is lying is the main verb or not? If not then what is missing in this?

Please advise .

Also if possible , please compare the original example with this one.

Many thanks in advance.

SJ
"The book that is lying on the table," is not a complete sentence. The subject is "the book" but there's no main verb. "that is lying on the table," is a relative clause that modifies "the book." If you'd written "The book is lying on the table," you'd have a complete sentence, as "the book" now has "is lying" as its verb. In the first case the verb is part of a modifier, and in the second case, we've removed the modifier and paired the verb with the main subject.
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by vishalwin » Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:55 pm
Thanks for correcting me Dave.
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