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by Viper83 » Fri Nov 12, 2010 3:53 am
If m is to be chosen at random from the set {1, 2, 3, 4} and n is to be chosen at random from the set {1, 3, 5, 7}, what is the probability that mn will be prime?
(A) 3/16
(B) 1/4
(C) 5/16
(D) 1/2
(E) 7/8
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by The Jock » Fri Nov 12, 2010 4:09 am
Total = 4*4 = 16
mn can be prime in 5 ways..
Probability is 5/16.

What is the OA.
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by beat_gmat_09 » Fri Nov 12, 2010 5:27 am
Viper83 wrote:If m is to be chosen at random from the set {1, 2, 3, 4} and n is to be chosen at random from the set {1, 3, 5, 7}, what is the probability that mn will be prime?
(A) 3/16
(B) 1/4
(C) 5/16
(D) 1/2
(E) 7/8
set 1 = {1, 2, 3, 4}
set 2 = {1, 3, 5, 7}

Probability that mn is prime -
Get probabilities for following -
1) 1 is selected from set 1 and 3,5,6 from set 2. = 1/4 * 3/4
2) 2 is selected from set 1 and 1 from set 2. = 1/4*1/4
3) 3 is selected from set 1 and 1 from set 2. = 1/4*1/4
3) 3 is selected from set 2 and 1 from set 1. = 1/4*1/4
4) 5 is selected from set 2 and 1 from set 1. = 1/4*1/4
5) 7 is selected from set 2 and 1 from set 1. = 1/4*1/4
Add all = 3/16 + 5/16 = 8/16= 1/2.
Option D.
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by diebeatsthegmat » Fri Nov 12, 2010 5:52 pm
Viper83 wrote:If m is to be chosen at random from the set {1, 2, 3, 4} and n is to be chosen at random from the set {1, 3, 5, 7}, what is the probability that mn will be prime?
(A) 3/16
(B) 1/4
(C) 5/16
(D) 1/2
(E) 7/8
.
nm=14 ways
nm = prime so mn= (3*1, 2*1,5*1,7*1) =only 4 pairs
4/16=1/4

i dont know how you guys could find so many pairs of prime numbers!?!?!
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by pesfunk » Fri Nov 12, 2010 7:12 pm
Total 16 ways.

1 is neither prime nor composite, so the combinations possible for the question:

1,3
1,5
1,7
2,1
3,1

Hence the answer should be 5/16 or option C

What's the OA ?
The Jock wrote:Total = 4*4 = 16
mn can be prime in 5 ways..
Probability is 5/16.

What is the OA.
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by Bharat » Fri Nov 12, 2010 7:18 pm
Answer: C. (I agree with The Jock & pesfunk)

Approach:
a. note that 1 is not a prime.
b. from the given set, a prime can be obtained as a product only when you select "1" from one set & any prime from another set.
i.e., problem can be rewritten as "find probability of chosing one prime & "1" respectively from each set."
possible combinations: [1,2], [1,3], [1,5] etc. (refer the sets from "pesfunk")

hence result = 5/16.
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by beat_gmat_09 » Fri Nov 12, 2010 7:42 pm
set 1 = {1, 2, 3, 4}
set 2 = {1, 3, 5, 7}
possible combinations -
(1,2) - 1 from set 2 , 2 from set 1
(1,3) - 1 from set 2 , 3 from set 1
(3,1) - 3 from set 2 , 1 from set 1
(5,1) - 5 from set 2 , 1 from set 1
(7,1) - 7 from set 2 , 1 from set 1
(1,5) - 1 from set 1 , 5 from set 2
(1,7) - 1 from set 1 , 7 from set 2
(1,3) - 1 from set 1 , 3 from set 2

Am i going wrong anywhere ? please point out.

OA please.
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by gmatter81 » Fri Nov 12, 2010 9:07 pm
I agree with Manish!
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by blaster » Fri Nov 12, 2010 11:38 pm
what is correct OA? we have tons of different answers )))
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by Ian Stewart » Sat Nov 13, 2010 2:08 am
beat_gmat_09 wrote:set 1 = {1, 2, 3, 4}
set 2 = {1, 3, 5, 7}
possible combinations -
(1,2) - 1 from set 2 , 2 from set 1
(1,3) - 1 from set 2 , 3 from set 1
(3,1) - 3 from set 2 , 1 from set 1
(5,1) - 5 from set 2 , 1 from set 1
(7,1) - 7 from set 2 , 1 from set 1
(1,5) - 1 from set 1 , 5 from set 2
(1,7) - 1 from set 1 , 7 from set 2
(1,3) - 1 from set 1 , 3 from set 2


Am i going wrong anywhere ? please point out.

OA please.
You're counting several possibilities twice, those that I've highlighted (choosing, say, '3' from set two and '1' from set one is the same as choosing '1' from set one and '3' from set two). There are only 5 pairs which give a prime product, as a few people have listed above, so the answer is 5/16.
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by beat_gmat_09 » Sat Nov 13, 2010 3:09 am
Ian Stewart wrote:
beat_gmat_09 wrote:set 1 = {1, 2, 3, 4}
set 2 = {1, 3, 5, 7}
possible combinations -
(1,2) - 1 from set 2 , 2 from set 1
(1,3) - 1 from set 2 , 3 from set 1
(3,1) - 3 from set 2 , 1 from set 1
(5,1) - 5 from set 2 , 1 from set 1
(7,1) - 7 from set 2 , 1 from set 1
(1,5) - 1 from set 1 , 5 from set 2
(1,7) - 1 from set 1 , 7 from set 2
(1,3) - 1 from set 1 , 3 from set 2


Am i going wrong anywhere ? please point out.

OA please.
You're counting several possibilities twice, those that I've highlighted (choosing, say, '3' from set two and '1' from set one is the same as choosing '1' from set one and '3' from set two). There are only 5 pairs which give a prime product, as a few people have listed above, so the answer is 5/16.
Isn't this problem similar to rolling dice's problem, for example if two dice are rolled then probability of getting a sum of
12, where two same sets are considered, so possibilities for getting 12 of sum involves (7,5) and (5,7) as different possibilities and both the possibilities should be counted. I counted (1,3) and (1,3) two times but for others ex (1,7) ; (7,1) i thought of the dice problem.

Please correct me if i am wrong.
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by Ian Stewart » Sat Nov 13, 2010 4:40 pm
beat_gmat_09 wrote: Isn't this problem similar to rolling dice's problem, for example if two dice are rolled then probability of getting a sum of
12, where two same sets are considered, so possibilities for getting 12 of sum involves (7,5) and (5,7) as different possibilities and both the possibilities should be counted. I counted (1,3) and (1,3) two times but for others ex (1,7) ; (7,1) i thought of the dice problem.
When you're counting (5,7) twice in a dice problem (I guess you're imagining dice labeled from 2 to 7 or something), you're counting them twice because you might get 5 on the first die and 7 on the second, or 7 on the first die and 5 on the second. You would not count, for example, (7,7) twice, because there's only one way for that to happen: you must get 7 on each die.

In the problem in the original post, there's only one way to get the set (1,7); you must pick '1' from the first set, and '7' from the second set. You don't want to count that twice.
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by beat_gmat_09 » Sat Nov 13, 2010 10:58 pm
Ian Stewart wrote: When you're counting (5,7) twice in a dice problem (I guess you're imagining dice labeled from 2 to 7 or something), you're counting them twice because you might get 5 on the first die and 7 on the second, or 7 on the first die and 5 on the second. You would not count, for example, (7,7) twice, because there's only one way for that to happen: you must get 7 on each die.

In the problem in the original post, there's only one way to get the set (1,7); you must pick '1' from the first set, and '7' from the second set. You don't want to count that twice.
Thanks Ian but i'm not convinced.
I think it is same as the dice problem and the 2 ways of selecting should be counted. :?
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by Ian Stewart » Sun Nov 14, 2010 1:02 am
beat_gmat_09 wrote:
Ian Stewart wrote: When you're counting (5,7) twice in a dice problem (I guess you're imagining dice labeled from 2 to 7 or something), you're counting them twice because you might get 5 on the first die and 7 on the second, or 7 on the first die and 5 on the second. You would not count, for example, (7,7) twice, because there's only one way for that to happen: you must get 7 on each die.

In the problem in the original post, there's only one way to get the set (1,7); you must pick '1' from the first set, and '7' from the second set. You don't want to count that twice.
Thanks Ian but i'm not convinced.
I think it is same as the dice problem and the 2 ways of selecting should be counted. :?
Well try this question using your method:

Choose one number from the set {1, 2} and one number from the set {3, 4}. What is the probability the product is even? Using your method, you'll get an answer greater than 100%, which can't be right.

It is true that this is similar to a dice problem, but when we count say 6,5 and 5,6 in a dice problem as two ways to get a sum of 11, we count this twice because in the first case, we get the 6 on the first die, and in the second case we get the 5 on the first die. We aren't double-counting anything. In the question above, if you're going to get 1, 7, there's only one way to do it, because you can't pick the '7' from the first set; it isn't there.
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by beat_gmat_09 » Sun Nov 14, 2010 1:30 am
Ian Stewart wrote: It is true that this is similar to a dice problem, but when we count say 6,5 and 5,6 in a dice problem as two ways to get a sum of 11, we count this twice because in the first case, we get the 6 on the first die, and in the second case we get the 5 on the first die. We aren't double-counting anything. In the question above, if you're going to get 1, 7, there's only one way to do it, because you can't pick the '7' from the first set; it isn't there.
Thanks, got it :)
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