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by Ozlemg » Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:49 pm
San Franciscans of the 1890's mocked the claim that declared Los Angeles a world city, yet within 20 years a powerful municipal will had made this boast a reality.
1. yet within 20 years a powerful municipal will had made this boast a reality.
2. yet within 20 years a powerful municipal will made this boast a reality.
3. yet a powerful municipal within 20 years will make this boast a reality.
4. yet this boast had become a reality within 20 years because of a powerful will municipally
5. yet within 20 years a municipal will had made this boast a powerful reality.

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by Frankenstein » Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:17 pm
Hi,
'will' is a noun here. Let's not confuse about it.
We are talking about a past event in 1890s and then we are talking about another one(boost becoming reality) which is before 'passing of 20 years from 1890s'(say 1910s). So, we need to use past perfect.
So, B,C are out
municipally is incorrect in D
powerful reality is incorrect in E

Hence, A
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by atulmangal » Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:03 pm
@Frankenstein

Hi may be i'm interpreting the sentence wrong but still i think, the events happened in this order

1) San Franciscans of the 1890's mocked the claim
2)after that within 20 years municipal will made that boast a reality

This is what confusing me, if this order is correct, why we are using past perfect in 2nd event. probably m not correctly getting the meaning of the sentence.
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by Frankenstein » Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:14 pm
atulmangal wrote:@Frankenstein

Hi may be i'm interpreting the sentence wrong but still i think, the events happened in this order

1) San Franciscans of the 1890's mocked the claim
2)after that within 20 years municipal will made that boast a reality

This is what confusing me, if this order is correct, why we are using past perfect in 2nd event. probably m not correctly getting the meaning of the sentence.
Hi,
Lets focus on the clause after comma.
There are two events :
1) boast becoming reality
2) time finishes passing 20 years
The earlier event is the boast becoming reality. Since the boast becomes reality before that time finishes passing, perfect tense should be fine.
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by sameerballani » Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:59 am
Nice discussion!!
Even i had the same confusion
It seems the [spoiler]OA:A[/spoiler] for the same reason as mentioned by frankenstein.

This link might help: https://www.englishpage.com/verbpage/futureperfect.html

Before the future time(within 20years) finishes the future task(making the claim a reality) will be completed

Am i correct?
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atulmangal wrote:@Frankenstein

Hi may be i'm interpreting the sentence wrong but still i think, the events happened in this order

1) San Franciscans of the 1890's mocked the claim
2)after that within 20 years municipal will made that boast a reality

This is what confusing me, if this order is correct, why we are using past perfect in 2nd event. probably m not correctly getting the meaning of the sentence.
Hi,
Lets focus on the clause after comma.
There are two events :
1) boast becoming reality
2) time finishes passing 20 years
The earlier event is the boast becoming reality. Since the boast becomes reality before that time finishes passing, perfect tense should be fine.
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by Frankenstein » Sat Jun 18, 2011 5:11 am
sameerballani wrote:
This link might help: https://www.englishpage.com/verbpage/futureperfect.html

Before the future time(within 20years) finishes the future task(making the claim a reality) will be completed

Am i correct?
Hi,
I don't understand your question. Can you be more specific.
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by HSPA » Sat Jun 18, 2011 5:38 am
+1 for atul. Even I was expecting 'a powerful muncipal's Will"

I got confused and thought that meaning is:
that A good muncipal in near future can do good.
atulmangal wrote:@Frankenstein

Hi may be i'm interpreting the sentence wrong but still i think, the events happened in this order

1) San Franciscans of the 1890's mocked the claim
2)after that within 20 years municipal will made that boast a reality

This is what confusing me, if this order is correct, why we are using past perfect in 2nd event. probably m not correctly getting the meaning of the sentence.
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by sameerballani » Sat Jun 18, 2011 5:58 am
Frankenstein wrote:
sameerballani wrote: This link might help: https://www.englishpage.com/verbpage/futureperfect.html
Before the future time(within 20years) finishes the future task(making the claim a reality) will be completed
Am i correct?
Hi,
I don't understand your question. Can you be more specific.
I am trying to say. We have two actions and both of them will occur in future(wrt time when its spoken)
1st - future action (making claim a reality) - gets completed therefore we need to use perfect
2nd - within 20 years. this thing also continues in future but not completed. so no need of perfect.

I am confused!! It would be better if you can elaborate this question with all options and their respective reasoning.
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by Frankenstein » Sat Jun 18, 2011 6:04 am
sameerballani wrote: I am trying to say. We have two actions and both of them will occur in future(wrt time when its spoken)
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Hi,
All actions are past events. You are right to the extent of saying perfect tense is warranted to convey the sequence of actions. In case you are confused by the use of 'will', it is not used as a verb. It is used as a noun.
Example: Where there is a will, there is a way.
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by sameerballani » Sat Jun 18, 2011 6:12 am
Frankenstein wrote:
atulmangal wrote:@Frankenstein

Hi may be i'm interpreting the sentence wrong but still i think, the events happened in this order

1) San Franciscans of the 1890's mocked the claim
2)after that within 20 years municipal will made that boast a reality

This is what confusing me, if this order is correct, why we are using past perfect in 2nd event. probably m not correctly getting the meaning of the sentence.
Hi,
Lets focus on the clause after comma.
There are two events :
1) boast becoming reality
2) time finishes passing 20 years
The earlier event is the boast becoming reality. Since the boast becomes reality before that time finishes passing, perfect tense should be fine.
I understand this part, and even i am trying to say the same thing. But what i was saying (and is probably wrong) is that we are using WILL may be because both the action are in future of time(1890's) the sentence is talking about. Both(completing of boast into reality AND 20 years going on) actions took after 1890.
Can you clarify the usage of will as a noun.

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by gmat062011 » Sat Jun 18, 2011 6:53 am
It will be easy to understand the sentence, if you replace 'will' with its synonym 'determination'


San Franciscans of the 1890's mocked the claim that declared Los Angeles a world city, yet within 20 years a powerful municipal determination had made this boast a reality.
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