Hi penguinfoot,

Congrats on your success and thanks so much for sharing.

I agree with you that time issue is the biggest challenge for IR. I do not have any trouble on time issues for Quant or Verbal, but I significantly ran out of time on IR during my Prep2 Mock (with the last 3 questions unanswered). And for OG questions, I remember I spent almost 7 min on the first MSR question. I'm wondering: is the real IR questions in your exam as time-consuming as the OG questions? I'd be appreciated if you could share how you improved on time management for IR. Thanks.

Saana wrote:I was actually a bit tired before I started the test and kept getting distracted. Ill go over my weak areas and take a new one again!
Thanks!

Well Saana, that may be the reason. I would suggest taking the tests fresh in the morning. Take a shower and eat a heavy breakfast - nothing too oily (such as Chole Bhature/Ghee Dosa or the likes).
I used to drink water and eat small chocolates between breaks during practice test.

thulsy wrote: Congrats on your success and thanks so much for sharing.

Much appreciate the wishes. I am glad my journey is helping you

thulsy wrote:I agree with you that time issue is the biggest challenge for IR. I do not have any trouble on time issues for Quant or Verbal, but I significantly ran out of time on IR during my Prep2 Mock (with the last 3 questions unanswered). And for OG questions, I remember I spent almost 7 min on the first MSR question. I'm wondering: is the real IR questions in your exam as time-consuming as the OG questions? I'd be appreciated if you could share how you improved on time management for IR. Thanks.

I still remember the first time i took IR, i left 4 questions unanswered. So that way, you are ahead of me
But 7 minutes is too long to spend on a question. 6 minutes is the upper cap. not a big difference, though.
You should concentrate on understanding the give data. That's it. It will improve your speed highly. Don't concentrate on number. Just understand the data.

Let me know if you understood this concept. I can detail it if you want !

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penguinfoot wrote:

thulsy wrote: Congrats on your success and thanks so much for sharing.

Much appreciate the wishes. I am glad my journey is helping you

thulsy wrote:I agree with you that time issue is the biggest challenge for IR. I do not have any trouble on time issues for Quant or Verbal, but I significantly ran out of time on IR during my Prep2 Mock (with the last 3 questions unanswered). And for OG questions, I remember I spent almost 7 min on the first MSR question. I'm wondering: is the real IR questions in your exam as time-consuming as the OG questions? I'd be appreciated if you could share how you improved on time management for IR. Thanks.

I still remember the first time i took IR, i left 4 questions unanswered. So that way, you are ahead of me
But 7 minutes is too long to spend on a question. 6 minutes is the upper cap. not a big difference, though.
You should concentrate on understanding the give data. That's it. It will improve your speed highly. Don't concentrate on number. Just understand the data.

Let me know if you understood this concept. I can detail it if you want !

Hi Penguinfoot,
Thanks for your suggestion. I think I'm struggling with the verbal part, not the number. sometimes I have to spend more time to understand what is going on in this particular question, especially when the topic is not familiar to me. Also the reading speed issue. On average, I take around 1min40s for a CR; But for a verbal-intensive Two-Part Analysis (such as this https://www.mba.com/the-gmat/nex-gen/sam ... 8?next=yes), I cannot get it done in 2min30s. I'm wondering is the real IR question demand such high speed reading skills? If so, how did you improve on this?
btw: I'm also a non-native speaker, and I find your debrief very helpful. Thanks.

thulsy wrote: I think I'm struggling with the verbal part, not the number. sometimes I have to spend more time to understand what is going on in this particular question, especially when the topic is not familiar to me. Also the reading speed issue. On average, I take around 1min40s for a CR; But for a verbal-intensive Two-Part Analysis (such as this https://www.mba.com/the-gmat/nex-gen/sam ... 8?next=yes), I cannot get it done in 2min30s. I'm wondering is the real IR question demand such high speed reading skills? If so, how did you improve on this?

I would say this is a typical CR correlated IR. Moreover,I understand your point that you can not spend more than 2min30sec on this. But this question can be done in, if not less than, 2 min.

I look at reading speed in a completely different view. You may read a 100 word passage in 1 minute but it is of no use if you don't understand it. The same applies for CR. Try reading each line with focus. stop. read the next line. Make sure that you don't have to re-read the premise again. This helped me save a lot of time and improve my accuracy.

To illustrate :

Official Source wrote: For zoologists studying the behavior of certain species of birds, the critical importance of observing the birds in those species' morefa during the annual breeding season is obvious. Such observation allows researchers to study not only the courtship displays of many different individuals within a species, but also the species' social hierarchy.

At this point, you should know this :
I(1) "Morefa" is a fictional place
I(2) some zoologists interested in relevant study
I(3) Point (2) focused on Annual Breeding season
I(4) Ponit (4) gives implication on courtship & social hierarchy

Official Source wrote: Moreover, since some species repeatedly return to the same morefa, researchers can study changes in group dynamics from year to year. The value of observing a morefa when the birds are not present, however-such as prior to their arrival or after they have abandoned the area to establish their nests-is only now becoming apparent.

At this point, you should know this :
II(1) A morefa stays constant within a species
II(2) Point (1) helps study group dynamics in a species
II(3) Observations on morefa : [Before arrival of species] & [After Abandonment -> to form nests]

My way of reading was "Divide and Conquer". Woah - i feel like Alexander.
GMAT passages are always lengthy and quite tough to keep the thoughts in line. So cut it down into 2 or 3 pieces of information and read it along. Scientifically, our mind needs to read 3 or 4 times a long sentence to fully understand; On the contrary, a small sentence takes only 1 reading.

Not to the question :

Official Source wrote:Based on the definition of the imaginary word morefa that can be inferred from the previous paragraph, which of the following activities of a bird species must happen in a location for that location to be the species' morefa, and which must NOT happen in a location for that location to be the species' morefa? Make only two selections, one in each column.

Must not happen in the location : 'Establishing Nests'
Supported by II(3) Point

Must happen in the location : 'Gathering together with members of their own species'
Supported by I(4) Point

HTH!

Hey,
Congrats on your score.. I have applied your suggestiong to identify area of impovement in sc or Cr and not working on the whole as together..

I am improving a .

I come from engineering background. But i see DS is one thing i just miss things.. Let me know if you have a trick to avoid such errors.

Regatds,
Aditi

aditi.rai wrote:Hey,
Congrats on your score.. I have applied your suggestiong to identify area of impovement in sc or Cr and not working on the whole as together..

I am happy my analysis are helping your preperation.

aditi.rai wrote: I come from engineering background. But i see DS is one thing i just miss things.. Let me know if you have a trick to avoid such errors.

Yeah. Even i am from an engineering major. I just love maths - so took Computer Science as my field.
For DS, in general - the one area where i found improvement was to look at Statement I and Statement II separately before proceeding to Together option.
Many a time - one just start evaluating the together option - an intuitive urge. It seldom helps.

Be on a lookout for Ratios/Percentage problems -> they rarely require the total value to answer the question.

Let me know if you understood the above concept. Else we can work on a problem for illustration.
HTH!

Gr8 score! I wish to seek help from you regarding my doubtful preparation method.
I am consistently scoring 49 in maths, but dont seem to budge the verbal score from 26
N i have been preparing from past 5months and i see no improvement in either of the sections! kindly help!

vinc wrote:Gr8 score!

Many thanks

vinc wrote:I wish to seek help from you regarding my doubtful preparation method.
I am consistently scoring 49 in maths, but dont seem to budge the verbal score from 26
N i have been preparing from past 5months and i see no improvement in either of the sections! kindly help!

As far as i can think - Start Manhattan Verbal Strategy guides. Especially the SC guide. If you have already done - read it again.
Manhattan SC guide is one book which will reveal newer and newer concepts every time you read it. I personally read it 3 times.
Make sure you also practice the chapter end questions. They are very well drafted questions.

Let me know if this is helping you.

HTH!

Hi penguinfoot, thanks so much for the nice demo.
"Try reading each line with focus. stop. read the next line. Make sure that you don't have to re-read the premise again."
Yeah, I find your suggestion very helpful. Every time when I run out-of-time, the reason is reading back-and-forth due to lack of comprehension. I'll try as you said.

penguinfoot wrote:

thulsy wrote: I think I'm struggling with the verbal part, not the number. sometimes I have to spend more time to understand what is going on in this particular question, especially when the topic is not familiar to me. Also the reading speed issue. On average, I take around 1min40s for a CR; But for a verbal-intensive Two-Part Analysis (such as this https://www.mba.com/the-gmat/nex-gen/sam ... 8?next=yes), I cannot get it done in 2min30s. I'm wondering is the real IR question demand such high speed reading skills? If so, how did you improve on this?

I would say this is a typical CR correlated IR. Moreover,I understand your point that you can not spend more than 2min30sec on this. But this question can be done in, if not less than, 2 min.

I look at reading speed in a completely different view. You may read a 100 word passage in 1 minute but it is of no use if you don't understand it. The same applies for CR. Try reading each line with focus. stop. read the next line. Make sure that you don't have to re-read the premise again. This helped me save a lot of time and improve my accuracy.

To illustrate :

Official Source wrote: For zoologists studying the behavior of certain species of birds, the critical importance of observing the birds in those species' morefa during the annual breeding season is obvious. Such observation allows researchers to study not only the courtship displays of many different individuals within a species, but also the species' social hierarchy.

At this point, you should know this :
I(1) "Morefa" is a fictional place
I(2) some zoologists interested in relevant study
I(3) Point (2) focused on Annual Breeding season
I(4) Ponit (4) gives implication on courtship & social hierarchy

Official Source wrote: Moreover, since some species repeatedly return to the same morefa, researchers can study changes in group dynamics from year to year. The value of observing a morefa when the birds are not present, however-such as prior to their arrival or after they have abandoned the area to establish their nests-is only now becoming apparent.

At this point, you should know this :
II(1) A morefa stays constant within a species
II(2) Point (1) helps study group dynamics in a species
II(3) Observations on morefa : [Before arrival of species] & [After Abandonment -> to form nests]

My way of reading was "Divide and Conquer". Woah - i feel like Alexander.
GMAT passages are always lengthy and quite tough to keep the thoughts in line. So cut it down into 2 or 3 pieces of information and read it along. Scientifically, our mind needs to read 3 or 4 times a long sentence to fully understand; On the contrary, a small sentence takes only 1 reading.

Not to the question :

Official Source wrote:Based on the definition of the imaginary word morefa that can be inferred from the previous paragraph, which of the following activities of a bird species must happen in a location for that location to be the species' morefa, and which must NOT happen in a location for that location to be the species' morefa? Make only two selections, one in each column.

Must not happen in the location : 'Establishing Nests'
Supported by II(3) Point

Must happen in the location : 'Gathering together with members of their own species'
Supported by I(4) Point

HTH!

thulsy wrote:Yeah, I find your suggestion very helpful. Every time when I run out-of-time, the reason is reading back-and-forth due to lack of comprehension. I'll try as you said.

Go get'em !!

Hope you get good score on IR as well. let us know your score VS ques. level on test VS ques level in og13

Updated my scores

Got a 8/8 on IR and a mere 5.5 on AWA

Check it out in the main post

Thanks you BeatTHEGmat community for i got a lot of knowledge form this forum

penguinfoot wrote:Updated my scores

Got a 8/8 on IR and a mere 5.5 on AWA

Check it out in the main post

Thanks you BeatTHEGmat community for i got a lot of knowledge form this forum

8/8 on IR ... Amazing
How many question you think you did correct... ques in QG are so difficult and that score is too difficult to achieve ( any tips on IR )