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SC 1000 - 604. Repelled by bodily punishments

by puneetdua » Sun Aug 29, 2010 5:45 am
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This topic has already been discussed in this forum , but didnt find explanations much helpful - can you please assist me here -

Repelled by bodily punishments such as maiming and branding, the idea of penitentiaries were reforms of the penal system by Quakers.
(A) the idea of penitentiaries were reforms of the penal system by Quakers
(B) penitentiaries were ideas for reform of the penal system suggested by Quakers
(C) Quakers suggested the penitentiary as a reform of the penal system
(D) Quakers suggested that the penal system be reformed as penitentiaries
(E) the penitentiary was suggested to be a reform of the penal system by Quakers
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by kvcpk » Sun Aug 29, 2010 6:04 am
IMO C.

Repelled bY.. should modify Quakers. ABE OUT

Suggested that X as Y is wrong usage in D.

pick C.
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by puneetdua » Sun Aug 29, 2010 6:13 am
hi Kvcpk -

i was stucj between C and D ,

c) Quakers suggested the penitentiary as a reform of the penal system
d) -> Quakers suggested that the penal system be reformed as penitentiaries

in D, isn't the subjentive mood - Suggested + That ...(to) be reformed as penitentiaries.. is correct ?

You are correct - C is OA , but want to understand the error in D.
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by kvcpk » Sun Aug 29, 2010 6:29 am
puneetdua wrote:hi Kvcpk -

i was stucj between C and D ,

c) Quakers suggested the penitentiary as a reform of the penal system
d) -> Quakers suggested that the penal system be reformed as penitentiaries

in D, isn't the subjentive mood - Suggested + That ...(to) be reformed as penitentiaries.. is correct ?

You are correct - C is OA , but want to understand the error in D.
"AS" should not be used to compare nouns.
Penitentiaries is a noun.

Also, penitentiaries is a reform of penal system. No comparison should exist here.

Hope this helps!!
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by BastiG » Sun Aug 29, 2010 7:19 am
puneetdua wrote:hi Kvcpk -

i was stucj between C and D ,

c) Quakers suggested the penitentiary as a reform of the penal system
d) -> Quakers suggested that the penal system be reformed as penitentiaries

in D, isn't the subjentive mood - Suggested + That ...(to) be reformed as penitentiaries.. is correct ?

You are correct - C is OA , but want to understand the error in D.
MGMAT Book says that there should be the command subjunctive mood be used. So the other structure in C is grammatical wrong. I don't really understand when to use command subjunctive or when not?? Expert pls help!
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by loveusonu » Sun Aug 29, 2010 7:46 am
puneetdua wrote:Hi all,

This topic has already been discussed in this forum , but didnt find explanations much helpful - can you please assist me here -

Repelled by bodily punishments such as maiming and branding, the idea of penitentiaries were reforms of the penal system by Quakers.
(A) the idea of penitentiaries were reforms of the penal system by Quakers
(B) penitentiaries were ideas for reform of the penal system suggested by Quakers
(C) Quakers suggested the penitentiary as a reform of the penal system
(D) Quakers suggested that the penal system be reformed as penitentiaries
(E) the penitentiary was suggested to be a reform of the penal system by Quakers
Yep, its should be C.
D changes the meaning, making it quite illogical, and the usage of suggested is also not correct as suggested by kvcpk
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by Stuart@KaplanGMAT » Sun Aug 29, 2010 2:19 pm
BastiG wrote:
puneetdua wrote:hi Kvcpk -

i was stucj between C and D ,

c) Quakers suggested the penitentiary as a reform of the penal system
d) -> Quakers suggested that the penal system be reformed as penitentiaries

in D, isn't the subjentive mood - Suggested + That ...(to) be reformed as penitentiaries.. is correct ?

You are correct - C is OA , but want to understand the error in D.
MGMAT Book says that there should be the command subjunctive mood be used. So the other structure in C is grammatical wrong. I don't really understand when to use command subjunctive or when not?? Expert pls help!
You suggest THAT someone DO something.

e.g.: Since Fred is sick, I suggest that Bob replace Fred.

You suggest X as a replacement for Y.

e.g.: Since Fred is sick, I suggest Bob as a replacement for Fred.

More examples:

The Quakers suggested that the penal system be reformed... correct!
The Quakers suggested penitentiaries as a reform or the penal system... correct!
The Quakers suggested that penitentiaries replace the penal system... correct!

The Quakers suggested the penal system should be reformed... incorrect!
The Quakers suggested that penitentiaries be a replacement for the penal system.. incorrect (bad style, mostly)!

As others have pointed out, the comparison in D is illogical. A system can't be reformed as an object.
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