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Possessvie noun referred by subject/object pronoun

by karmayogi » Thu Jan 01, 2009 8:28 pm
The following flash card is from Eric's Flash Card:

V: SC: Phrase, Clause
You can change a misplaced modifier into a
legal sentence by changing a phrase into a
clause.
- “While leaving the bank, Evelyn’s purse was
stolen.” (Incorrect, underlined portion is a
phrase)
- “As she was leaving the bank, Evelyn’s purse
was stolen.” (Correct, underlined portion is a
clause)

My doubt: In the highlighted part above, what she is referring to? Can subject pronoun (she) refer to a possessive noun (Evelyn's purse)? because in one of the posts Stacey has explained that a subject or object pronoun must not refer to possessive noun. (https://www.beatthegmat.com/word-placeme ... t1221.html)
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Re: Possessvie noun referred by subject/object pronoun

by logitech » Thu Jan 01, 2009 8:30 pm
karmayogi wrote:The following flash card is from Eric's Flash Card:

V: SC: Phrase, Clause
You can change a misplaced modifier into a
legal sentence by changing a phrase into a
clause.
- “While leaving the bank, Evelyn’s purse was
stolen.” (Incorrect, underlined portion is a
phrase)
- “As she was leaving the bank, Evelyn’s purse
was stolen.” (Correct, underlined portion is a
clause)

My doubt: In the highlighted part above, what she is referring to? Can subject pronoun (she) refer to a possessive noun (Evelyn's purse)? because in one of the posts Stacey has explained that a subject or object pronoun must not refer to possessive noun. (https://www.beatthegmat.com/word-placeme ... t1221.html)
Good catch Karma! She can not refer to Evelyn's purse.
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Re: Possessvie noun referred by subject/object pronoun

by ronniecoleman » Thu Jan 01, 2009 9:53 pm
karmayogi wrote:The following flash card is from Eric's Flash Card:

V: SC: Phrase, Clause
You can change a misplaced modifier into a
legal sentence by changing a phrase into a
clause.
- “While leaving the bank, Evelyn’s purse was
stolen.” (Incorrect, underlined portion is a
phrase)
- “As she was leaving the bank, Evelyn’s purse
was stolen.” (Correct, underlined portion is a
clause)

My doubt: In the highlighted part above, what she is referring to? Can subject pronoun (she) refer to a possessive noun (Evelyn's purse)? because in one of the posts Stacey has explained that a subject or object pronoun must not refer to possessive noun. (https://www.beatthegmat.com/word-placeme ... t1221.html)
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So this can be a mistake..


Rule:

possessive noun can refer to both object and subject noun

But

but subject and object pronoun cannot refer to possesive noun
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Re: Possessvie noun referred by subject/object pronoun

by El Cucu » Fri Jan 02, 2009 1:58 pm
karmayogi wrote:The following flash card is from Eric's Flash Card:

V: SC: Phrase, Clause
You can change a misplaced modifier into a
legal sentence by changing a phrase into a
clause.
- “While leaving the bank, Evelyn’s purse was
stolen.” (Incorrect, underlined portion is a
phrase)
- “As she was leaving the bank, Evelyn’s purse
was stolen.” (Correct, underlined portion is a
clause)

My doubt: In the highlighted part above, what she is referring to? Can subject pronoun (she) refer to a possessive noun (Evelyn's purse)? because in one of the posts Stacey has explained that a subject or object pronoun must not refer to possessive noun. (https://www.beatthegmat.com/word-placeme ... t1221.html)
I think the problem is the subject. First sentence is wrong because "who is leaving the bank? Evelyn's purse?" No. That's why the second sentence is correct "She was leaving..."

Only subject and object pronouns can not refer back to possesive pronouns, and it is not the case. Here we have a possesive pronoun (Evelyn's purse) refering back to a subject (she), so it's ok in my view.
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by mowghli » Sat Jan 03, 2009 8:22 am
Reason is she refers to Evelyn's purse, so its incorrect.?
As she was leaving the bank, Evelyn's purse..... (incorrect)

As she was leaving the bank, her purse............ (is this correct?)
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by El Cucu » Sat Jan 03, 2009 9:33 am
mowghli wrote:Reason is she refers to Evelyn's purse, so its incorrect.?
As she was leaving the bank, Evelyn's purse..... (incorrect)

As she was leaving the bank, her purse............ (is this correct?)

In my view, both sentences above are correct.

Incorrect will be "while leaving the bank, Evelyn's purse was stolen".

Because you don't have a subject in the subordinate phrase. Who is leaving the bank?
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by maihuna » Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:15 am
As Evelyn was leaving the bank, her purse was stolen.
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by El Cucu » Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:31 am
El Cucu wrote:
mowghli wrote:Reason is she refers to Evelyn's purse, so its incorrect.?
As she was leaving the bank, Evelyn's purse..... (incorrect)

As she was leaving the bank, her purse............ (is this correct?)

In my view, both sentences above are correct.

Incorrect will be "while leaving the bank, Evelyn's purse was stolen".

Because you don't have a subject in the subordinate phrase. Who is leaving the bank?
After reading some explanations I changed me mind regarding the following sentece:

Incorrect: As she (subject pronoun) was leaving the bank, Evelyn´s purse (possesive noun)... wrong

Correct: As Evelyn (noun) was leaving the bank, her (object pronoun) purse... ok

You should not refer back a subject or object pronoun ( she/he or him/her) to a possesive noun ('s).


Regarding the sentence:

"while leaving the bank, Evelyn's purse was stolen" wrong

Evelyn's purse has no antecedent. You should change the phrase to a clause adding Evelyn + was. You also have a dangling modifier as you have no subject in the prhase. Think this As Evelyn´s purse was leaving the bank (impossible!)

"While Evelyn was leaving the bank, her purse was stolen". Correct



Hope this clarifies the issue, tks.


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