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by resilient » Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:59 pm
I am getting much better in my scores due to a strong analysis of my mistakes. However, I am not really able to get my scores up on the Sentence correction end of things. Everything else is pretty straightforward and self explanatory. Except SC. I have done a good amount of grammar work and also read the powerscore sc bible and manhattan gmat book. I think I am suffering from more of a strategy issue. Do you have any reccomendations on how to make my weakness my strength? Thanks in advance!

p.s. I went from 510 to a 650 (quant 38 and verbal 41) last week. THis week I got a 640 (quant 44 and verbal 38). I have to fix this SC problem because my minor mistakes in CR are easy to fix!
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by lunarpower » Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:23 am
Enginpasa1 wrote:I am getting much better in my scores due to a strong analysis of my mistakes. However, I am not really able to get my scores up on the Sentence correction end of things. Everything else is pretty straightforward and self explanatory. Except SC. I have done a good amount of grammar work and also read the powerscore sc bible and manhattan gmat book. I think I am suffering from more of a strategy issue. Do you have any reccomendations on how to make my weakness my strength? Thanks in advance!

p.s. I went from 510 to a 650 (quant 38 and verbal 41) last week. THis week I got a 640 (quant 44 and verbal 38). I have to fix this SC problem because my minor mistakes in CR are easy to fix!
sentence correction can be a pain, especially if you are not a native speaker of english and thus must learn all the idiomatic expressions by trial and error.

nevertheless, here are a couple of suggestions that might make your life a bit easier:
- try to look harder for the SIGNALS that tell you what sort of problem you're dealing with. an easy example: if you're dealing with parallelism, there will be some sort of construction (either...or, both...and, and, or, not only...but also, etc.) that will indicate the use of parallel structure. if you're dealing with modifiers, their form (including relative pronouns, sandwiched between commas, placed at the beginning of the sentence and separated from the subject by a comma, etc.) can be a giveaway as to their use.
if you can find the signals, then you'll be in much better shape as far as knowing what to look for on problems. to this end, here are some ways in which you can better identify strategies:
* go through the o.g. problems, and pay attention to the boldface headings appearing on top of the answer explanations (such as 'idiom', 'logical predication', etc.) note that you may have to translate some terms, such as 'logical predication', into the more familiar terms of whatever prep guide(s) you've been using; we at mgmat don't use the phrase 'logical predication', for instance. if you need help with this kind of 'translation', post back to this thread.
* for each boldface headline, try to identify commonalities among the problems featuring that headline. some, like parallelism, will have common threads that are easier to spot than others, but, if you look hard enough, the patterns will emerge. some headings, like idiom, will be easy to spot (just look for differing choices of prepositions/verb forms/whatever in the choices), but will be difficult to resolve once you've spotted them.
* make a list, somewhere in a notebook, of the patterns you've discovered in each problem type.
* memorize the templates you find!

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also, make sure that you read the answer explanations in the back of the o.g. very closely. those answer explanations are sometimes incomplete, curt, and confusing, but they give a nice window into the minds of the gmat writers.

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by sampleresume » Sun Apr 06, 2008 5:13 pm
Based on my experience, the best way to improve sentence correction is to summarize the types of error appearing in GMAT. When you find a grammar error, just write down and categorize. You will find there are no more than 12 types of grammar errors.

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sc and CR weakness

by resilient » Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:23 am
Facing my weaknesses and aiming for perfection has brought my scores up much higher. THe key is to fix the holes in your prep. My 41 verbal dropped to 31. In order to bring this up I focused heavily on SC and CR because CR is not problem.

I am changing my approach and not just trucking though questions but instead working more on getting a lesson on the 80% and can easily correct half of my mistakes. I also went through 65 kaplan sc questions and scored 55 and then quickly fixed 7 out of 10 mistakes right away. However, to keep up on my strenghts I am still solving those questions each day. So far this is working so I am going to solidify this this week and tyring to get max scores possible for verbal but I am having trouble beating the 80 % mark on sc and CR, any help?

ultimate take away- learn all common tested rules and stretch out for the odds and ends in SC grammar. THEN APPLY AND STICK THE SPLITS IN THE ANSWER CHOICES TO GUIDE YOU TO THE RIGHT ANSWER!
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by resilient » Tue May 20, 2008 6:40 pm
OK, I just took n mgmat cat exam and scored a 630 (quant 44 verbal 32). I am so close to my 700 I can taste it. I took a few workshops on quant and scores have been consistently increasing very slightly for my quant. I have been doing verbal practice in the most precise ways possible and my scores are dropping. I am looking into getting a tutor strictly for Verbal. I am probably going to get a few hours with powerscore group. I read their CR and SC book and I can say they are really good.

What I'm learning and using for my success in
math:

SC:
1. boil question down to core elements of the sentence
2. Identify the differences in the answer choices (vertical scan)
3.Eliminate as needed by applying all the grammar used from manhattan gmat and powerscore.
4.Aggresively see the differences.
RC:
1. Boil passage down to main story and personalize the situation
2.always have supporting tet whenever you can. this is a guaranteed correct answer.
3.inference questions: choose question that MUST BE TRUE.
4. global/mainpoint/authors point questions: choose choice that encompasses story as a whole (lean towards first paragraph) but dont get too narrow.
5.fully understand why each choice is right and why each choice is wrong. Studying the wrong choices makes a very big difference.
CR:
1.Identify every question type
2.Personalize each question and argument (better comprehension)
3.again, study the wrong answer choices very closely.
4.Always separate conclusion from evidence and understand the conclusion very very well.
5. Keep a keen sense on the traps the writer has for you.

I honestly feel very comfortable and cant really seem to learn or find information to learn from for the content that is in verbal. However, my verbal skills are not reflected in my gmat. I did score a 41 once in verbal but then saw a drop in verbal and need to fix this. I am happy to say that everything is well within my grasp but a plan is needed.

What is interesting is that my quant scores creap up a point or two each time a take an exam but my verbal scores are slipping point by points. THe good news is that verbal is much easier and quicker for me to learn than quant.









1. stay as suspicous as possible and always anticipate one more trick that the writer has up his sleave.
2. simply stay clever and know that bits of seemingly uncorrelated information is really one big story.
3. check your answers
4.stay calm and not rush but move quickly.
5. apply all the math you know
6. never back down from a question because ina few seconds the whole question comes to you through recognitin of small details.
7. my main success: read the question a few times and write it down along with all accompanying equations and variables that you pulled out of the probem. (this yields many correct answers)

Verbal:
Ignoring my frustrations, I am in need of a master plan for verbal. I took a workshop for sc that deals with finding the basics of the sentence. THis class helped out enourmusly. I have a firm understanding of powerecores CR and SC books. I am scoring 6/7 correct for each lsat kaplan rc passage. I even explain to my friends where they are sometimes going wrong on verbal (RC and CR). BUt for some reason, I am having lower scores. My exam is on June 26 and have plenty of time to focus in on my mistakes.

my scores so far,

kaplan 340
kaplan 450
kaplan 510
mgmat 610
mgmat 650
mgmat 640
mgmat 630

All suggestions from the pros at Veritas, kaplan , mgmat etc. and other pros welcome.
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by Stacey Koprince » Thu May 22, 2008 8:13 am
You have made some great progress overall - keep up the good work!

I agree with everything you've written above in your "lessons learned" lists. The one thing I'd like to know more about is timing - are you sticking to all of your timing guidelines, consistently on EVERY question, on verbal? Or are you sometimes getting sucked into spending too much time? If so, when does this tend to happen?

Nearly everyone has to guess on something like 5 to 7 questions per section. For the area that is your weakness (in this case, verbal), give yourself maybe 4 "freebies" - that is, questions on which you say, "I just don't know - let me guess and move on." Eliminate anything you can through process of elimination but (a) DON'T go over time on that question (and, ideally, finish a little early) and (b) DON'T stress out or feel as though you're not doing well because you had to guess on one. EVERYone has to guess. Don't let the negative thoughts psych you out and cause you to do more poorly on the other problems!
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by resilient » Thu May 22, 2008 9:06 am
In looking back on my exams, I often noticed that I was leaving easy points on the table for just being careless with math. SO now I actually over write out the question and almost every mathematical step. The result consistent great points. At one point, I did have a 41 score for verbal. I need it back.

I bet there isn't much left to learn other than actualy seeing executing the skills I have learned. I am very familiar with the exams incorrect answers and common tricks. Honestly Verbal is my specialty and especially CR. BUt I end up getting tired and the overall color of the screen tires me down. However, I do know that I get very tired towards the tail end of the exam and need to fix this. Specifically, the RC passages literally make me tired. I enjoy them but for some reason they get me winded. So as the most logical remedy, I am going to do RC passages in 3-4 sets.

I was frustrated a bit because I thought that I was missing some specific topic and maybe I am. But finding the weakness is the hard part fixing it is the easy part. I know for sure if I was less tired, I would easily jump up 8-10 points for verbal. THis I am sure of. So the trick to learn is how to stay fresh throughout the exam.

In practicing timed situation and longer time blocks, I noticed that:
1. My scores are dropping when I do 3 or more rc passages in a row. My best score is the first of course then a steady decline.
2. Life would be a lot easier if I could get the correct textual evidence quickly. THis will increase accuracy and bring down time.
3. I am getting better at writing more concise and cleaner passage maps. I designed a system. A.) read the paragraph and write in a few words what the paragraoh just did and what author sis trying to do, draw a rectangle around it. B.) explain what is said in most boiled down version of what the content of the paragraph is. c.) Tie it all together keeping in mind where the story is in general and respect to where it can go later on. (broad view)
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by mayonnai5e » Thu May 22, 2008 2:57 pm
"2.always have supporting tet whenever you can. this is a guaranteed correct answer."

I just wanted to point out that this can also be a trap. The test writer's know that some people will think, "oh that line is straight from the text - it must be the correct answer!" but that is exactly the trap the writer wishes to exploit. For example, if the question is a "main point" question, one of the answer choices may be a direct quote from the middle of the passage and that answer choice may trigger this type of response. However, that direct quote may be a very specific and small portion of the actual passage and thus is the wrong answer. So be very careful about this "lesson" as it may very well turn into a trap in the higher difficulty questions.

Again Engin, you've mentioned the continuing problem with careless mistakes being made. You really need to focus on small tricks to minimize them. Think in small steps as careless mistakes by definition occur when you have overlooked something small that you normally would not. Try taking a look at all the careless mistakes you've made over the past few months and categorize them. For example, if you were doing a math problem and saw "3 * 4" but thought 7 instead of 12 then you've made a careless mistake where you've switched multiplication with addition. I've made this mistake more than once during practice =P. Then once you've categorize them, you can try to come up with solutions to fix them or, if you are really having problems, you can come onto the board and list out the categories of careless errors along with examples of the error and perhaps the community can come up with innovative tricks to overcome them.

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Re: Strategy

by lunarpower » Fri May 23, 2008 5:04 pm
a few responses here.
resilient wrote:In looking back on my exams, I often noticed that I was leaving easy points on the table for just being careless with math. SO now I actually over write out the question and almost every mathematical step.
well-intentioned, but don't forget that you are ALWAYS up against the clock.
you have to find a strategy that strikes the proper balance between thoroughness and proper time management. so when you say 'every mathematical step', you're worrying me a bit, because you're giving the vague impression that you're going to leave entire rooms of the proverbial house dirty because you're still scrubbing the same tiles with a toothbrush.

if you have tested this strategy against your worst enemy (the stopwatch), though, and found that it actually works, then go for it.
resilient wrote:BUt I end up getting tired and the overall color of the screen tires me down.
that's an interesting attribution. i've heard students blame testing fatigue on all manner of things, but this is definitely the first time the color of the screen has been cited.

try the following:
1) eat/drink strategic snacks at the breaks. you might want a little infusion of caffeine at each break; perhaps keep an energy drink in your little locker, and steal sips off it between the sections. or, if you have any go-to snacks that can give you quick energy (clif bars? powerbars? even m&ms?), down them on the breaks.

or, if the screen color is really the dealbreaker,
2) get some sunglasses with yellow or orange lenses (these should be rather easy to find; they're marketed semi-truthfully as night vision enhancers for driving, etc.) put them on / take them off at odd intervals throughout the exam, as they'll change the colors on the screen somewhat.
the yellow lenses will also make everything light-colored around you, but especially the screen, appear a bit brighter,* so the resultant jolt may be just what you need.

resilient wrote: Specifically, the RC passages literally make me tired. I enjoy them but for some reason they get me winded. So as the most logical remedy, I am going to do RC passages in 3-4 sets.
you enjoy them? well then, you're already 1 step ahead of just about everyone else here.

try to approach the passages from the standpoint of a professional writer of ABSTRACTS and TABLES OF CONTENTS. pretend that you're being paid per abstract, or per table of contents, and that you have to create them (good ones, of course) as fast as possible. that might help a bit with the tedium.

also, you should pretend that you have to explain the gist of the article OUT LOUD to some other person, in 15 seconds or less. this will force you to paraphrase the content, because no one would ever speak with the sort of language employed by the articles. if this works really well, you might even do it in the test center, by mouthing words (silently, of course; the last thing you'd want is to be banned from the test center).
resilient wrote:So the trick to learn is how to stay fresh throughout the exam.
i can tell you with 100% confidence that this is NOT specific to the exam; if you find consistent ways to stay fresh in general, then the benefits will spill over to the exam as well.

perhaps you should keep a journal, in which you notate the following:
* time you went to sleep
* time you woke up
* the basics of the food you ate that day (doesn't have to be in excruciating detail, but you should note whether it was high in carbs, protein, fats, etc)
* any drugs you took, including caffeine, alcohol, etc.
and then... the point:
* your alertness level, on a scale of 0-5 or 0-10, at various points throughout the day

if you keep this journal for just a few weeks, you will begin to have an EXACT grasp of the things affecting your alertness.
i kept this sort of journal as a college athlete, and the knowledge i gained from it has enhanced the quality of my life to this day. not a joke. people think i'm a bit strange because i can predict exactly how sleepy i'm going to feel at time X the following day if i go to bed at time Y or eat food Z, but believe me, it's valuable knowledge. being able to apply it to the gmat is only the tip of the iceberg.
resilient wrote: 1. My scores are dropping when I do 3 or more rc passages in a row. My best score is the first of course then a steady decline.
don't do 3 or more rc passages in a row, then!

you may get 2 rc passages in a row on the test, but the likelihood that you'll get 3 consecutive rc passages is virtually nil. (some people only get 3 rc passages on the entire exam.)

if you really want to test your mettle in this way, then alternate between rc passages and critical reasoning passages, but don't nail yourself with a salvo of never-ending rc passages. that's not even a reasonable simulacrum of the way the test works, and may serve only to discourage you. remember, fatigue is largely a self-fulfilling prophecy: if you believe you're going to get tired during the test, then, guess what?
resilient wrote:2. Life would be a lot easier if I could get the correct textual evidence quickly. THis will increase accuracy and bring down time.
well yeah, but there's no quick fix for that.
you might want to pay proportionally more attention to keywords and proportionally less attention to the actual details in which those keywords are found.
life would be a lot easier for salesmen if they could somehow go only to people who'll buy their product, too, but there's obviously no point in getting upset about the rejections. same goes for the rc passage - just dig until you find something.

by the way, don't forget that you will essentially always be looking in exactly one place for the information you want. one nice thing about the rc passages is that they don't ask you to synthesize information from different parts of the passage, although you may have to do an insanely careful reading of the single part that does matter.
resilient wrote:3. I am getting better at writing more concise and cleaner passage maps. I designed a system. A.) read the paragraph and write in a few words what the paragraoh just did and what author sis trying to do, draw a rectangle around it. B.) explain what is said in most boiled down version of what the content of the paragraph is. c.) Tie it all together keeping in mind where the story is in general and respect to where it can go later on. (broad view)
that sounds like a lot of detail to actually write down - you might want to stick to doing (b) and/or (c) in your head, to economize on time - but again, if this system WORKS and does so WITHIN THE TIME LIMIT, then, go for it.
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Re: Strategy

by lunarpower » Fri May 23, 2008 5:07 pm
i forgot the footnote here:
lunarpower wrote: the yellow lenses will also make everything light-colored around you, but especially the screen, appear a bit brighter,* so the resultant jolt may be just what you need.
* = this is biologically based; it's not just a random marketing claim.
our eyes are most sensitive to the yellow area of the light spectrum, so light shifted from white to yellow via yellow lenses will appear subjectively brighter, even though it's actually been dimmed (the lenses inevitably block some fraction of the light).
i find that wearing yellow glasses can perk me up when i'm tired, because everything around me is suddenly so bright. not to mention that they look good on me.
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by resilient » Fri May 23, 2008 6:02 pm
I went throught the first 80 questions of DS in the green og book today. Within timed standards (actually less than 2 minutes per question) I scored 65/80. The OG questions are becoming very easy in comparison to the mgmat math questions.

In review of the wrong answer choices, I redid the mistakes without looking at the correct answer and only knowing that I didn't get the question correct. I got half of the questions right just by being careful and paying ATTENTION TO EVERY DETAIL. Again, these questions were done under timed conditions. I used to make a lot of careless mistakes. However, I needed to disect this broad weakness even more. As a remedy, I know read the quesion twice, assign variables and make sure that my plan will actually answer the question. This has worked pretty well but rereading the question and checking I answered the question has eliminated this problem. THis works perfect as a measure against the pressure of the clock and overall test jitters.


THis may sound niave, but I think this means that I a don't have too many mathematical deficiencies but more of a deficiency in the way I approach the problem. I used to have this problem in SC because I learned the mgmat sc book inside out and powerscore sc book inside out. However, my scores didnt increase. Mayonaise explained that a carfefull analysis is needed of why. After some soul searching, I realised that I wasn't applying a mechanical/methodical elimination process that focuses on the differences. Now, I sift out the core sentence and identify the differences in a vertical scan and simply apply the rules I know. Now its safe to say that my sc biggest verbal weakness is my strength. RC is great if I can keep my energy up. CR is a hobby and I catch myself breaking peoples arguements in general life nowadays. lol

Mayonaise gave a great tip, which is to make the exam 37-2 minute tests and 41-2 minute tests. This works!

lessons learned:
read the whole statement before you eliminate
didn't know what root meant in equation.
didn't see final step in statement 2...i.e didnt fully check the statement with numbers
didn't fully consider the statement 2
couldn't pull equation out of the word problem. (getting better at this)

Again, if I am fresh I can do these easily and score like this when i do 10 quetion banks. I think i need to beef up my stamina because I start getting tired. The reading comprehension questions literally make me numb during the exam. If I were able to take the questions on an hourly basis I would be fine. The good thing about going through a multitude of questions today is that it made me feel like things are getting more routine and the og books dont challenge me too much unless when it comes to endurance. If I am interested or focused, then I can do very well.


I will employ every recommendation that Lunarpower gave and even be fashionably cool during my exam.
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by lunarpower » Fri May 23, 2008 6:50 pm
resilient wrote:CR is a hobby and I catch myself breaking peoples arguements in general life nowadays. lol
isn't it true.

it's so annoying.

just the other day i was looking at a can of rockstar energy drink that my girlfriend was drinking, and i noted that their slogan, 'party like a rockstar', could also be expressed correctly as 'party as a rockstar does'.

sigh.
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Re: lunarpower

by mayonnai5e » Sat May 24, 2008 4:10 am
lunarpower wrote:
resilient wrote:CR is a hobby and I catch myself breaking peoples arguements in general life nowadays. lol
isn't it true.

it's so annoying.

just the other day i was looking at a can of rockstar energy drink that my girlfriend was drinking, and i noted that their slogan, 'party like a rockstar', could also be expressed correctly as 'party as a rockstar does'.

sigh.
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by simba12123 » Tue Nov 04, 2008 3:55 pm
OK,

I would love to try this yellow tinted sunglasses idea on the exam. I tried a pair on the other day during a CAT exam and seriously it works. However, the question is - can we be allowed to bring it into the room with us on exam day?
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