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Tough One : Consider

by sumanr84 » Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:17 am
Written in the early eleventh century by Lady Murasaki Shikibu as a fictionalized account of political and romantic intrigue in the Japanese imperial court, literary historians consider The Tale of Genji to be the world's first novel.

A. Shikibu as a fictionalized account of political and romantic intrigue in the Japanese imperial court, literary historians consider The Tale of Genji to be

B. Shikibu in the manner of a fictionalized account of political and romantic intrigue in the Japanese imperial court, literary historians consider The Tale of Genji as

C. Shikibu, a fictionalized accounting for political and romantic intrigue in the Japanese imperial court, literary historians consider The Tale of Genji

D. Shikibu as a fictionalized account of political and romantic intrigue in the Japanese imperial court, The Tale of Genji is considered by literary historians to be

E. Shikibu, The Tale of Genji is a fictionalized account of political and romantic intrigue in the Japanese imperial court which literary historians consider to be

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The sentence has a modifier issue and "considered x to be y"is "suspect". If I have to pick one, I would go with C. Modifier issue but at least "consider XY" is correct. Source is doubted too ?
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by gmatmachoman » Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:30 am
E is definetly wrong. U rightly said it to be C!! Consider XY is a perfect idiom.

Pick C.
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by uwhusky » Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:34 am
I like D the best.

E was almost there except that it sounds less concise and unnecessary wordy, plus I hate that "which" =).

C has several errors right off the bat: accounting is not the same as account, plus it should be account "of", and the sentence seems to be a run-on sentence that's too wordy. I just noticed that "considered" should also be followed with "to be".

A and B are wrong right off the bat with misplaced modifier.

Edit: I just noticed that consider "to be" may not be idiomatic...umm...I also found another discussion of this exact same question. I am beginning to dislike this question.
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by gmatmachoman » Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:05 am
uwhusky wrote:C has several errors right off the bat: accounting is not the same as account, plus it should be account "of", and the sentence seems to be a run-on sentence that's too wordy. I just noticed that "considered" should also be followed with "to be".

A and B are wrong right off the bat with misplaced modifier.

Edit: I just noticed that consider "to be" may not be idiomatic...umm...I also found another discussion of this exact same question. I am beginning to dislike this question.
Hahahha Bhai I was abt to write that " Consider..to be "is unidiomatic.. Plz go thru this example in OG 10,No.79

79. George Sand (Aurore Lucile Dupin) was one of the first European writers to consider the rural poor to be
legitimate subjects for literature and portray these with sympathy and respect in her novels.
(A) to be legitimate subjects for literature and portray these
(B) should be legitimate subjects for literature: portray these
(C) as being legitimate subjects for literature an portraying them
(D) as if they were legitimate subjects for literal; and portray them

(E) legitimate subjects for literature and to portray them

SO that leaves us with C..wat say???
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by blaster » Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:06 am
I go with E
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by uwhusky » Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:12 am
I agree that consider to be is unidiomatic, but C has way too many errors to be considered correct. In conclusion, this is not a very good question.

E is wrong because of the usage of "which", if anything it should be "that" for restrictive clause, but it is still too wordy.

FYI: https://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/idi ... t2758.html
* i don't think there is any meaningful difference between "consider X Y" and "consider X to be Y".
i can guarantee you right now that there will NEVER be a choice on which the ONLY "error" is the insertion of those two words "to be".
however, as emily noted above, the presence of those words can indeed be suspicious. therefore, if you see them, you should double down on your effort in scanning that particular choice for OTHER errors.
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by gmat_perfect » Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:53 pm
sumanr84 wrote:Written in the early eleventh century by Lady Murasaki Shikibu as a fictionalized account of political and romantic intrigue in the Japanese imperial court, literary historians consider The Tale of Genji to be the world's first novel.

A. Shikibu as a fictionalized account of political and romantic intrigue in the Japanese imperial court, literary historians consider The Tale of Genji to be

B. Shikibu in the manner of a fictionalized account of political and romantic intrigue in the Japanese imperial court, literary historians consider The Tale of Genji as

C. Shikibu, a fictionalized accounting for political and romantic intrigue in the Japanese imperial court, literary historians consider The Tale of Genji

D. Shikibu as a fictionalized account of political and romantic intrigue in the Japanese imperial court, The Tale of Genji is considered by literary historians to be

E. Shikibu, The Tale of Genji is a fictionalized account of political and romantic intrigue in the Japanese imperial court which literary historians consider to be

[spoiler]Source : MGMAT Forum ( Actual source unknown )
https://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/tou ... 10191.html
The sentence has a modifier issue and "considered x to be y"is "suspect". If I have to pick one, I would go with C. Modifier issue but at least "consider XY" is correct. Source is doubted too ?
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Some thoughts:

1. Past participle as the opening modifier:

"Written in XXX, YY" => Here, YY should be the thing that has been written in XX.
=> From this we can eliminate A, B, and C.
In C, "Written in XX, a fictionalized accounting" seems incorrect to me because it is not "a fictionalized accounting" that has been written in XX.

2. Before which, we need to use comma:

=> This rules out E.

Answer should be D.

For more information about the usage of "consider X Y" and "Consider X to be Y", go to the following discussion:
https://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/idi ... t2758.html.

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by mrik » Fri Jun 04, 2010 12:00 am
IMO D.

Only D and E clearly modifies" The Tale of Genji" eg [written in ......, The Tale of Genji]

E is out as it contains which without comma and wrongly modifies court
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by akhpad » Tue Jun 08, 2010 8:57 am
First past of the sentence is a modifier

"Written in the early eleventh century by Lady Murasaki Shikibu ..." is a modifier and it modifies to Novel "The Tale of Genji".

"Consider X Y" is CORRECT IDIOM. No doubt.
But "consider to be" is also correct. if we do not have better choice, then it [consider to be] can be acceptable.

"Consider as" is INCORRECT IDIOM in GMAT. But again if we have major error with other choice, then we have to bear with idiom.

So, D is the better choice. "Consider to be" is correct and modifier correctly modifies to the Novel.

E has error with WHICH.

Correct if I am wrong.
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by RumpelThickSkin » Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:15 am
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by uwhusky » Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:40 am
Source: Dictionary.com

ac·count·ing
"‚ "‚/əˈkaÊŠntɪŋ/ Show Spelled[uh-koun-ting] Show IPA
-noun
1. the theory and system of setting up, maintaining, and auditing the books of a firm; art of analyzing the financial position and operating results of a business house from a study of its sales, purchases, overhead, etc. (distinguished from bookkeeping).
2. a detailed report of the financial state or transactions of a person or entity: an accounting of the estate.
3. the rendering or submission of such a report.

C is wrong base on the single word, accounting.
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by diebeatsthegmat » Tue Jun 08, 2010 5:28 pm
sumanr84 wrote:Written in the early eleventh century by Lady Murasaki Shikibu as a fictionalized account of political and romantic intrigue in the Japanese imperial court, literary historians consider The Tale of Genji to be the world's first novel.

A. Shikibu as a fictionalized account of political and romantic intrigue in the Japanese imperial court, literary historians consider The Tale of Genji to be

B. Shikibu in the manner of a fictionalized account of political and romantic intrigue in the Japanese imperial court, literary historians consider The Tale of Genji as

C. Shikibu, a fictionalized accounting for political and romantic intrigue in the Japanese imperial court, literary historians consider The Tale of Genji

D. Shikibu as a fictionalized account of political and romantic intrigue in the Japanese imperial court, The Tale of Genji is considered by literary historians to be

E. Shikibu, The Tale of Genji is a fictionalized account of political and romantic intrigue in the Japanese imperial court which literary historians consider to be

[spoiler]Source : MGMAT Forum ( Actual source unknown )
https://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/tou ... 10191.html
The sentence has a modifier issue and "considered x to be y"is "suspect". If I have to pick one, I would go with C. Modifier issue but at least "consider XY" is correct. Source is doubted too ?
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i think D shud be the correct OA although Gmat, according to what i learned doesnt often use " consider something to be something" however, where is the subject in this question? the sentence started with " written in early century...." what is written? the tale! this eliminate A, B, C.
E is abit wordy.
thus D definately.
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