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good question from knewton but uses wrong idiom

by vikram4689 » Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:38 pm
Although it gained notoriety after 2001, when it was featured in several popular movies, white-collar boxing, a workout considered by many to be an outlet for stress and that requires both discipline and agility, has actually been increasing in popularity since the early 1990s, when a large number of professionals joined blue-collar gyms, like Gleason's in Brooklyn, one of the oldest boxing gyms in the U.S.


(A) considered by many to be an outlet for stress and that requires

(B) considered by many to be an outlet for stress and that, requiring

(C) considered by many to be an outlet for stress and requiring

(D) that is considered by many to be an outlet for stress and it requires

(E) that is considered by many to be an outlet for stress and that, requiring

isn't this question wrong because all options use CONSIDERED TO BE. we know that consider..to be/as are wrong as per GMAC
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by Phoenixvikas » Sun Aug 12, 2012 1:28 am
vikram4689

I agree with you. no preposition comes after consider.

X considers Y intelligent human being.
and

NOT X considers Y to be intelligent human being.


vikram4689 wrote:Although it gained notoriety after 2001, when it was featured in several popular movies, white-collar boxing, a workout considered by many to be an outlet for stress and that requires both discipline and agility, has actually been increasing in popularity since the early 1990s, when a large number of professionals joined blue-collar gyms, like Gleason's in Brooklyn, one of the oldest boxing gyms in the U.S.


(A) considered by many to be an outlet for stress and that requires

(B) considered by many to be an outlet for stress and that, requiring

(C) considered by many to be an outlet for stress and requiring

(D) that is considered by many to be an outlet for stress and it requires

(E) that is considered by many to be an outlet for stress and that, requiring

isn't this question wrong because all options use CONSIDERED TO BE. we know that consider..to be/as are wrong as per GMAC
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by patanjali.purpose » Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:37 am
vikram4689 wrote:Although it gained notoriety after 2001, when it was featured in several popular movies, white-collar boxing, a workout considered by many to be an outlet for stress and that requires both discipline and agility, has actually been increasing in popularity since the early 1990s, when a large number of professionals joined blue-collar gyms, like Gleason's in Brooklyn, one of the oldest boxing gyms in the U.S.


(A) considered by many to be an outlet for stress and that requires

(B) considered by many to be an outlet for stress and that, requiring

(C) considered by many to be an outlet for stress and requiring

(D) that is considered by many to be an outlet for stress and it requires

(E) that is considered by many to be an outlet for stress and that, requiring

isn't this question wrong because all options use CONSIDERED TO BE. we know that consider..to be/as are wrong as per GMAC
In one of GMATPREP questions, RON says "i don't think "considered to be" is wrong, although it's wordier than just "considered..." .

https://www.beatthegmat.com/sc-with-surf ... 34-15.html

This gives us a clue that CONSIDERED TO BE is not wrong, but wordier. But in this problem, all choices have CONSIDERED TO BE , so wordiness is not a criteria
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by Phoenixvikas » Sun Aug 12, 2012 4:54 am
dear patanjali.purpose

I read the post in detail. GMAT has its own elements of surprises.

A, B, D and E - does not seems to be correct

IMO - C.

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by crisro » Sun Aug 12, 2012 6:06 am
I think the original text looks just fine.
IMO A.
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by agautam7879 » Sun Aug 12, 2012 11:53 am
I think the answer is E ?

Pleae when posting a question atleast reveal the answer
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by vikram4689 » Sun Aug 12, 2012 7:40 pm
Phoenixvikas wrote:dear patanjali.purpose

I read the post in detail. GMAT has its own elements of surprises.

A, B, D and E - does not seems to be correct

IMO - C.

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by avik.ch » Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:34 pm
patanjali.purpose wrote: In one of GMATPREP questions, RON says "i don't think "considered to be" is wrong, although it's wordier than just "considered..." .

https://www.beatthegmat.com/sc-with-surf ... 34-15.html

This gives us a clue that CONSIDERED TO BE is not wrong, but wordier. But in this problem, all choices have CONSIDERED TO BE , so wordiness is not a criteria
I too agree with this. ( the verdict is already given by Ron)

Considered X Y (both X and Y should be a noun) is correct only when "considered" is used a Vc verb. Not in other scenario. The other form is Consider X to be Y - in certain sentence you have to include "to be", if there is a modifier in between X Y.

I considered Oscar Wilde a great writer. - here "oscar wilde" is the direct object of the verb "considered" and "a great writer" is an object complement. In OG-12 #117 - "legitimate Subject" is a compliment - this construction is similar to the example above. A is perfect as per as idioms is concerned.

In all other scenario, appropriate preposition is to be used.

here, "by many" is not a direct object of the verb "considered" and hence the above structure do not hold.

In the above link ( in the gmat prep sentence ) - "too cold" is a condition, not a direct object for the verb. So the use of preposition - "to" is correct.

Object Complement can also be a prepositional phrase - but for this we need a direct object for the verb. There is no direct object in these two question.

The answer should be C.

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