Manhattan W.T. - Probability--More than one event AND vs. OR

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My question refers to pp 87-88 of the Probability section in the Manhattan Guide for Word Translations (ed. 4.1).

I am having some difficulty understanding Manhattan's explanation on how to use the P(A OR B)= P(A) + P(B) - P(A AND B) formula when dealing with probability problems that feature "OR" events that CAN occur together.

The guide indicates:
Manhattan wrote:if you simply add P(A) and P(B) in situations when A and B occur together, then you are overestimating the probability of either A or B (or both) occurring. You would be making the same error if you said that because you have a 50% chance of getting heads on one coin flip, you simply double that chance to 100% for two coin flips. But you will not always get heads at least once in two coin flips. What you have to do is subtract the chance of getting head on both flips, because the event H1 ("heads on the first flip") CAN occur together in the same scenario with event H2 ("heads on the second flip"). In other words, you CAN get two heads in a row, so you must subtract that possibility in the formula:

P(H1 or H2) = P(H1) + P(H2) - P(H1 and H2)
= 1/2 + 1/2 - (1/2) (1/2)
= 3/4

Therefore, 3/4 or 75% is the true chance of getting heads at least once in two fair coin flips.
But surely this doesn't make much sense.

If we are using the P(H1 OR H2) approach, we are looking for the number of events that will produce either {a heads on first flip with tails on second flip} OR {a tails on first flip with heads on second flip}. Therefore, we should NOT include any of the other possible events: {tails on first, tails on second}, {heads on first, heads on second}. The possible outcomes of two coin flips are: HH, HT, TH, TT; therefore, the probability of getting either H1 OR H2 is 2/4 or 1/2 (based on the HT, TH results).

Consequently, the example Manhattan cites does not seem to work here. You can't use the P(H1 OR H2) to find the probability of getting heads AT LEAST once in two fair coin flips. The phrase "at least" implies that heads, in addition to the HT or TH results, CAN actually occur on BOTH flips giving an HH result. Therefore, why would you want to subtract out the HH result (as indicated by Manhattan's (1/2) (1/2) calculation above) when it should actually be included in the probability count?

If anyone can provide some clarification on this I would really be grateful as I've been racking my brains trying to understand Manhattan's explanation.
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by JGoode » Tue Aug 10, 2010 5:19 am
Can anyone offer some help, please?

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by KrazyKarl » Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:57 pm
Hey JGoode,

I think you're maybe mixing a few different strategies. You could look at each individual sequence:

H, T (1/2 * 1/2 = 1/4)
T, H (1/2 * 1/2 = 1/4)
H, H (1/2 * 1/2 = 1/4)

and add them together to get 3/4

Or you could, as this example does, just take the individual instances of heads and then subtract the one that gets counted twice:

Heads First = 1/2 (includes H,T and H,H)
Heads Second = 1/2 (includes T,H and H,H)

H,H is counted twice, so we have to subtract it once, so 1/2 + 1/2 - 1/4 = 3/4


It's two ways to get to the same answer, and depending on the situation one may be faster than the other so that's probably why they demonstrate it this way so that you can do both.

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by JGoode » Wed Aug 11, 2010 8:17 am
Thank you Karl for explaining that so clearly and concisely. I think you are right in that I am confusing myself by mixing different strategies together.

But when you read P(H1 or H2), you would think this implies what is the probability of getting heads on the first flip OR heads on the second flip. You would not think this would include heads on BOTH flips as the word "OR" implies looking for the occurrence of heads on either one of the flips, not both at the same time. I think writing P (heads on at least one flip) would be more semantically correct as this would imply HT, TH or HH.

Your explanation: "take the individual instances of heads and then subtract the one that gets counted twice:

Heads First = 1/2 (includes H,T and H,H)
Heads Second = 1/2 (includes T,H and H,H) "

does make things clearer however :), as it indicates that heads can appear in different orientations within a single event.

That said, for some reason I feel safer working this problem out using binomial distribution!

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by Stacey Koprince » Fri Aug 13, 2010 7:21 pm
Received a PM asking me to respond.

Yes, there's a different between asking an "and" or "or" question and asking an "at least" question. You can set up an "at least" question in terms of "or" - but it's a bit more complicated.

Note the way that the formula is being used in the example you cited. It shows, for example, that the probability of getting heads on the first toss is 1/2, right? But note that that probability accounts ONLY for the first toss. What's the probability of getting H only on the first toss of two coin tosses? It's not 1/2. :)

So this is calculating for each toss in isolation: the probability of getting H on the first toss alone is 1/2. The probability of getting H on the second toss alone is 1/2. How do you combine that info if you want to talk about both tosses together? Not just by adding it, right? Otherwise, you'd say that you have a 1 (or 100%) probability of getting H on every toss and that doesn't make sense.

Luckily, there are multiple ways you can do these calculations; for "at least X" scenarios, I prefer the 1-x shortcut, personally. You can also write things out, as KrazyKarl showed. Use whatever works for you!
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by JGoode » Sat Aug 14, 2010 2:06 pm
Stacey Koprince wrote:Note the way that the formula is being used in the example you cited. It shows, for example, that the probability of getting heads on the first toss is 1/2, right? But note that that probability accounts ONLY for the first toss. What's the probability of getting H only on the first toss of two coin tosses? It's not 1/2.
Perfect! Thanks for another great explanation Stacey, that makes things much clearer now :), especially this section.