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by Mo2men » Thu Jul 13, 2017 10:30 pm

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With the patience of its customers and with its network strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives trying to relieve the congestion that has led to at least four class-action lawsuits and thousands of complaints from frustrated customers.

A. the patience of its customers and with its network strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives trying to relieve
B. the patience of its customers and its network strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives that try to relieve
C. its network and the patience of its customers strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives to try to relieve
D. its network and with the patience of its customers strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of initiatives to try relieving
E. its network and its customers' patience strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives to try relieving

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by elias.latour.apex » Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:56 am

It's an interesting question. I've never seen it before.

The first choice strikes me as completely wrong. First of all, it's completely unnecessary to say "With x and with y." I would never say, for example, "I want to go to lunch with John and with Mary." It's far better to say "with John and Mary." Second, the wording seems to indicate that the initiative is trying to accomplish something. Yet it is not the initiative that is trying but rather the on-line service company. Answer choice (A) can be eliminated.

Answer choices (B) and (D) can also be eliminated because they contain the same objectionable points that we've already identified in (A). In addition, I notice that both (D) and (E) contain "try+verb+ing,." Perhaps some readers are not aware of the difference between "I tried to recycle" and "I tried recycling." In the first clause, we acknowledge the possibility of failure. Perhaps the person will attempt to recycle and fail. He may find that he is unable to do so. In the second, however, we believe not that the person will fail but that he may be dissatisfied with recycling for some other reason. For example, he may say, "I tried recycling, but it was too expensive, and my house smelled like beer cans."

In light of the above, I conclude that (C) is the credited response. It contains no double with, it contains try + to, and uses the phrase "to try" to indicate that the purpose of the company in announcing the new initiatives is to reduce congestion.

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by GMATGuruNY » Fri Jul 14, 2017 6:13 am

Mo2men wrote:With the patience of its customers and with its network strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives trying to relieve the congestion that has led to at least four class-action lawsuits and thousands of complaints from frustrated customers.

A. the patience of its customers and with its network strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives trying to relieve
B. the patience of its customers and its network strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives that try to relieve
C. its network and the patience of its customers strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives to try to relieve
D. its network and with the patience of its customers strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of initiatives to try relieving
E. its network and its customers' patience strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives to try relieving

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A: With the patience of its customers and with its network strained to the breaking point
Here -- because of the repetition of with -- the modifier in blue seems to refer only to its network.
The result is the following meaning:
With the patience of its customers, the on-line service company announced...initiatives trying to relieve the congestion.
This meaning is nonsensical, implying that the PATIENCE OF ITS CUSTOMERS induced the company to RELIEVE CONGESTION.
Eliminate A.

The purpose of the simple present tense is to express a GENERAL TRUTH.
B: a series of new initiatives that try to relieve the congestion
Here, the usage of try (simple present tense) implies that the portion in red is a general truth about the initiatives.
Not so.
The portion in red is not a general truth but is the INTENDED PURPOSE of the initiatives.
To convey the intended purpose of a noun, we use an infinitive modifier, as in the OA:
initiatives TO TRY to relieve the congestion
Eliminate B.

D: With its network and with the patience of its customers strained to the breaking point
Here -- because of the repetition of with -- the modifier in blue seems to refer only to the patience of its customers.
The result is the following meaning:
With its network, the on-line service company announced...initiatives to try relieving the congestion.
This meaning is nonsensical, implying that ITS NETWORK induced the company to RELIEVE CONGESTION.
Eliminate D.

Generally, a VERBing serves to express an action CONCURRENT with the main action.
E: the online-service company announced initiatives to try relieving the congestion
Here, the usage of relieving seems to imply that the action in red is concurrent with the main action (the company announced).
Not so.
The portion in red is not a concurrent action but is an INTENDED action.
To express an intended action, we use not a VERBing but an infinitive (to + VERB), as in the OA:
initiatives to try TO RELIEVE the congestion
Eliminate E.

The correct answer is C.

In general:
Incorrect: try + VERBing
Correct: try + to + VERB

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by gui_guimaraes » Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:47 am

GMATGuruNY wrote:
Mo2men wrote:With the patience of its customers and with its network strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives trying to relieve the congestion that has led to at least four class-action lawsuits and thousands of complaints from frustrated customers.

A. the patience of its customers and with its network strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives trying to relieve
B. the patience of its customers and its network strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives that try to relieve
C. its network and the patience of its customers strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives to try to relieve
D. its network and with the patience of its customers strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of initiatives to try relieving
E. its network and its customers' patience strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives to try relieving
I received a PM requesting that I comment.

A: With the patience of its customers and with its network strained to the breaking point
Here -- because of the repetition of with -- the modifier in blue seems to refer only to its network.
The result is the following meaning:
With the patience of its customers, the on-line service company announced...initiatives trying to relieve the congestion.
This meaning is nonsensical, implying that the PATIENCE OF ITS CUSTOMERS induced the company to RELIEVE CONGESTION.
Eliminate A.

The purpose of the simple present tense is to express a GENERAL TRUTH.
B: a series of new initiatives that try to relieve the congestion
Here, the usage of try (simple present tense) implies that the portion in red is a general truth about the initiatives.
Not so.
The portion in red is not a general truth but is the INTENDED PURPOSE of the initiatives.
To convey the intended purpose of a noun, we use an infinitive modifier, as in the OA:
initiatives TO TRY to relieve the congestion
Eliminate B.

D: With its network and with the patience of its customers strained to the breaking point
Here -- because of the repetition of with -- the modifier in blue seems to refer only to the patience of its customers.
The result is the following meaning:
With its network, the on-line service company announced...initiatives to try relieving the congestion.
This meaning is nonsensical, implying that ITS NETWORK induced the company to RELIEVE CONGESTION.
Eliminate D.

Generally, a VERBing serves to express an action CONCURRENT with the main action.
E: the online-service company announced initiatives to try relieving the congestion
Here, the usage of relieving seems to imply that the action in red is concurrent with the main action (the company announced).
Not so.
The portion in red is not a concurrent action but is an INTENDED action.
To express an intended action, we use not a VERBing but an infinitive (to + VERB), as in the OA:
initiatives to try TO RELIEVE the congestion
Eliminate E.

The correct answer is C.

In general:
Incorrect: try + VERBing
Correct: try + to + VERB

Mitch,

So, A and D have a meaning issue. But is there a parallelism problem? I mean, in a parallelism stand point, is the "With...and with..." a problem?

Many tks!

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by GMATGuruNY » Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:52 am

gui_guimaraes wrote:Mitch,

So, A and D have a meaning issue. But is there a parallelism problem? I mean, in a parallelism stand point, is the "With...and with..." a problem?

Many tks!

with X and with Y is a valid construction.
An OA in GMATPrep:
With no natural predators and with expanses of green suburban neighborhoods where there is no hunting, the deer population in New Jersey has grown.

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by parry » Tue Apr 03, 2018 7:57 am

Isn't new initiative problematic ?
I strike C because I thought new initiative is redundant and chose D which uses concise initiative.

Thanks.

GMATGuruNY wrote:
Mo2men wrote:With the patience of its customers and with its network strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives trying to relieve the congestion that has led to at least four class-action lawsuits and thousands of complaints from frustrated customers.

A. the patience of its customers and with its network strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives trying to relieve
B. the patience of its customers and its network strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives that try to relieve
C. its network and the patience of its customers strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives to try to relieve
D. its network and with the patience of its customers strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of initiatives to try relieving
E. its network and its customers' patience strained to the breaking point, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives to try relieving
I received a PM requesting that I comment.

A: With the patience of its customers and with its network strained to the breaking point
Here -- because of the repetition of with -- the modifier in blue seems to refer only to its network.
The result is the following meaning:
With the patience of its customers, the on-line service company announced...initiatives trying to relieve the congestion.
This meaning is nonsensical, implying that the PATIENCE OF ITS CUSTOMERS induced the company to RELIEVE CONGESTION.
Eliminate A.

The purpose of the simple present tense is to express a GENERAL TRUTH.
B: a series of new initiatives that try to relieve the congestion
Here, the usage of try (simple present tense) implies that the portion in red is a general truth about the initiatives.
Not so.
The portion in red is not a general truth but is the INTENDED PURPOSE of the initiatives.
To convey the intended purpose of a noun, we use an infinitive modifier, as in the OA:
initiatives TO TRY to relieve the congestion
Eliminate B.

D: With its network and with the patience of its customers strained to the breaking point
Here -- because of the repetition of with -- the modifier in blue seems to refer only to the patience of its customers.
The result is the following meaning:
With its network, the on-line service company announced...initiatives to try relieving the congestion.
This meaning is nonsensical, implying that ITS NETWORK induced the company to RELIEVE CONGESTION.
Eliminate D.

Generally, a VERBing serves to express an action CONCURRENT with the main action.
E: the online-service company announced initiatives to try relieving the congestion
Here, the usage of relieving seems to imply that the action in red is concurrent with the main action (the company announced).
Not so.
The portion in red is not a concurrent action but is an INTENDED action.
To express an intended action, we use not a VERBing but an infinitive (to + VERB), as in the OA:
initiatives to try TO RELIEVE the congestion
Eliminate E.

The correct answer is C.

In general:
Incorrect: try + VERBing
Correct: try + to + VERB

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by GMATGuruNY » Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:05 am

parry wrote:Isn't new initiative problematic ?
I strike C because I thought new initiative is redundant and chose D which uses concise initiative.

Thanks.

The phrase in blue is not redundant.
One definition of initiative is an action intended to solve a problem.
Thus:
new initiatives = new actions intended to solve a problem.

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by Terry@ThePrincetonReview » Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:24 am

Choice B is very tempting. The key strike against it is a parallelism problem. It is unclear whether its network is parallel to the patience of its customers as an object of the preposition With (the intended meaning) ... OR is parallel to its customers as another object of the preposition of. The latter interpretation doesn't make sense, essentially saying, "With the patience of its customers and [the patience of] its network strained ...." The idea of a network having patience is nonsensical. However, because both its customers and its network begin with the possessive adjective its, they are already parallel; hence the incorrect parallelism trumps. (In any case, the ambiguous parallelism would be problematic.)

The correct answer choice, C, removes this parallelism problem by putting its network first, making it clear that it belongs to the preposition With and is parallel with the patience of its customers. The wording at the end, with the repetitiveness of TO try TO relieve, is perhaps inelegant and hard on the ears, but it is not a dealbreaker. As is often the case in SC questions, the best answer choice may still not be THE perfect sentence, but it does avoid critical grammatical errors, ambiguity, and broken logic. The difference between that try to relieve (in B) and to try to relieve (in C) is not critical in the context of this question. Although the two are distinct grammatical constructions -- one (choice B) is a restrictive clause defining initiatives and the other (choice C) is an infinitive conveying purpose -- I would still argue that the nuance in meaning at the level of the sentence is minor.

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by Mo2men » Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:00 pm

GMATGuruNY wrote:
The purpose of the simple present tense is to express a GENERAL TRUTH.
B: a series of new initiatives that try to relieve the congestion
Here, the usage of try (simple present tense) implies that the portion in red is a general truth about the initiatives.
Not so.
The portion in red is not a general truth but is the INTENDED PURPOSE of the initiatives.
To convey the intended purpose of a noun, we use an infinitive modifier, as in the OA:
initiatives TO TRY to relieve the congestion
Eliminate B.

Dear Mitch,

Regardless f the meaning in this particular question in B, does the construction 'the patience of its customers and its network' = the patience of its customers and of its network? Is there any difference between them?

Thanks

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by parry » Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:32 am

Thank you very much for your help, this clears my doubt.
I really appreciate your willingness to assist everyone.

Thanks.

GMATGuruNY wrote:
parry wrote:Isn't new initiative problematic ?
I strike C because I thought new initiative is redundant and chose D which uses concise initiative.

Thanks.
The phrase in blue is not redundant.
One definition of initiative is an action intended to solve a problem.
Thus:
new initiatives = new actions intended to solve a problem.

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by GMATGuruNY » Wed Apr 04, 2018 12:45 pm

Mo2men wrote:Dear Mitch,

Regardless f the meaning in this particular question in B, does the construction 'the patience of its customers and its network' = the patience of its customers and of its network? Is there any difference between them?

Thanks

B: with the patience of its customers and its network
Case 1: the patience and its network are intended to be parallel, as follows:
WITH THE PATIENCE and WITH ITS NETWORK.
Case 2: its customers and its network are intended to be parallel, as follows:
OF ITS CUSTOMERS and OF ITS NETWORK
Case 2 is unlikely, since it implies the following nonsensical meaning:
the patience...of its network
That said, both cases constitute grammatically sound interpretations.
Since the grammatical intention is not crystal clear, the construction in B is inviable.

with the patience of its customers and of its network
Here, only Case 2 is possible.
The result is the nonsensical meaning discussed above.

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by manishcmu » Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:00 pm

In C , why can't we read like this - With its network, the on-line service company announced a series of new initiatives to try to relieve ... and say that it doesn't make sense.
Why do we include "strained to the breaking point" as a modifier to the network? In A, We didn't attach this modifier to "With the patience of its customers" and said that it doesn't make sense.

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