When to Apply?

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When to Apply?

by rjp37 » Sun Aug 12, 2012 9:28 am
Hi. I'm looking to apply to b-school this fall/winter and could use some help figuring out my application strategy -- particularly when to apply to each school.

As far as my background -- I'm 27, a white male, and graduated from Cornell Engineering with a 3.2 GPA (2nd two years much better than 1st two) in May 2007. Since then, I've worked in New York as a risk management/performance improvement consultant at a Big 4 firm. My ratings are consistently high and I will be promoted to Manager in October. I'm currently on a 2-3 month assignment in Brazil, and also recently participated in a week-long environmental sustainability volunteer program in Costa Rica. I have also traveled for pleasure to almost 20 countries. Outside of work, I served as Co-Chair for my 5-year undergrad reunion, have coordinated various community service events through work, and have played drums/recorded music in various alternative rock bands since high school. I have taken the GMAT three times, and my best score is 680.

The schools I want to apply to are Harvard, Wharton, Columbia, Yale (and possibly Tuck/Booth). I am unsure as to when to submit my applications. Let's remove Tuck and Booth from the equation for now. I am thinking I will apply to Wharton and Columbia R2, in part because I have read R1 and R2 are pretty indistinguishable at Wharton, other than for administrative purposes. So, let's focus on Yale and Harvard.

I would love to attend HBS. I know admissions are extremely competitive, but I feel like I am well-rounded and could have a shot with a good application -- particularly with a higher GMAT score (700+). Assuming I don't have time to improve on my 680 prior to 9/24 (HBS R1), I'm struggling with whether I should apply to HBS round 1, or try to improve my score for round 2. I am leaning toward trying to improve and applying R2, since I've heard one should submit the best application possible regardless of round (1 or 2). I feel like I CAN do better on the test (and have on practice tests), but if I do not, then I will wish I submitted my application to Harvard round 1.

Since I'm leaning toward Harvard, Wharton, and Columbia round 2, I am thinking of submitting to Yale round 1. I feel like I have a decent shot with my current credentials. My thought process is that if I apply to Yale round 1, I will know in mid-December whether or not I get in. If accepted, I could submit my round 2 applications to the other schools with piece of mind. On the other hand, I could take my chances with HBS round 1 (with my 680) and hope for the best. But if I am not accepted (the likely scenario), I would be applying to Yale, Columbia, and Wharton in early January, and would not have the assurance of already being accepted into a program.

I would really appreciate any advice anyone can offer on this dilemma, and my chances for admission to these schools in general. The HBS R1 deadline is 6 weeks away and is going to creep up fast, so I want to have a game plan set as soon as possible. Thank you for your time and consideration.
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by machichi » Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:45 pm
If HBS is your dream school, you should not apply until your whole application is ready. If you're considering retaking the GMAT, hold off and apply to HBS R2. You want to have the best application in the door at the deadline, and if that means waiting, then that's what you should do. Wharton in particular can be pretty score-obsessed from what I understand. HBS is more forgiving, but your GPA is on the lower side of the averages for all your schools, so I'm thinking the GMAT will be a good counter-point.

Yale is a small program and they're trying to rise in the rankings so they're all about numbers. You're right that it's not as competitive, so you might still be good there.

This isn't to say your 680 is bad, it's just that scoring higher will serve you well on your applications and that can only be a good thing!
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by rjp37 » Mon Aug 20, 2012 6:14 am
Thank you for the insight -- you pretty much confirmed what I am thinking!

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by Iliana Bobova » Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:31 am
Hi,
Because you come from an engineering background many US schools might expect a higher GMAT score.
Broadly speaking there are 2 paths for you at this stage:
- reconsider you school selection
- retake the GMAT
In case you are committed to begin in the Fall 2013 you need to act ASAP, as the application deadlines for US schools are pressing. You will have more time for European MBAs.

Also, since you mention that you are leaning to Harvard, it is important that in your CV you have experiences and commitments which are a must for the HBS student profile. This is something you either have or haven't and you can not get in several months during the application process.

Feel free to send me your CV for initial review and do not hesitate to contact me with any further questions.

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by brightwinds » Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:46 am
Super important to keep in mind--

Some deadlines to accept/reject an admissions offer for R1 will come BEFORE you hear back from your R2 schools. So check your dates carefully. If you get in to Yale, you might have to decide whether or not to attend before you can know whether you've gotten in to Harvard, or Wharton, or wherever else you're applying.

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by machichi » Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:13 am
brightwinds wrote:Super important to keep in mind--

Some deadlines to accept/reject an admissions offer for R1 will come BEFORE you hear back from your R2 schools. So check your dates carefully. If you get in to Yale, you might have to decide whether or not to attend before you can know whether you've gotten in to Harvard, or Wharton, or wherever else you're applying.
Most Round 1 deposit deadlines aren't until March, thankfully!
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by Marc@AcceptU » Tue Sep 04, 2012 4:29 am
I'm generally in agreement with the other folks here with one other potential recommendation. You could put in your application to HBS in round 1 but to address your GMAT score, strongly highlight your analytical and quantitative skills (both undergrad as well as in current position). Admissions officers are using your sore to get a better sense of how you'll perform in the rigorous, data-driven core curriculum. If you can assuage any fears by communicating competency in your essays, you'll be well off.

That's great you've got so much international/travel experience. Where in Brazil are you? I'm a big traveler, too, and was in Rio earlier this year.

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