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by hariharakarthi » Sun Aug 30, 2009 2:52 pm
Hi DanaJ, stacey,

I need your advice.
I also face the same problem here.
I have taken 3 practice tests and haven't completed verbal section in any of the practice test.

The scores are as follows,

Kaplan CAT 1: 460 (Q-28, V-16)
Low Verbal score because I answered most of the SC answered incorrectly. Did not read last RC in the test. Guessed the ans.
Most of the CR, I could not comprehend.

Princeton Review Free Test : 450 (Q-36, v-16)
Could not complete the verbal section. Answered only 36 qn. out of which 16 are correct.


Powerprep CAT (Q- 23 Correct, V -Only completed 36 and 18 are incorrect)

Could not complete verbal. Only completed 36 qn.

But, I am confident that I could do well on Quant on the actual GMAT.
My confidence level on verbal goes down test by test.


I spend lot of time for preparing for verbal already. I am able to solve all type of the questions mostly with 70-80% accuracy when I practice the qns.
I am able to solve the SC qn in 2 Mins.
I am able to solve the CR qn in 2 min 30 sec
I am able to solve the short passage in 8 Mins.
I am able to solve the long passage in 9 Mins.

Verbal:
SC: MGMAT - except Idioms section I am reading all the other sections regularly. Infact, I am telling to myself all the rules for each section while commuting to office on train. If I spent 2 Min, I am getting 70-80% accuracy on SC qn. But, I could don't achieve the accuracy, if I readuce the timings.

CR:
Read POWER SCORE CR -Bible. Know,exactly what the approach to take for each qn type. But, it takes me 2 min 30 sec to complete medium/hard CRs.

RC:
MGMAT - RC Book.
Short Passage:
8 Mins to complete OG11 Short passages, which contain 5 qn per passage.

9 Mins to complete Long passage with 5 qns.

In all the above timing is my main constraint. I know when I read the qn, I understand what is being tested there and while selecting the answer it takes time to complete the qn.

Solving the SC/CR/RC is not my problem, timing is the main problem. But, when I try to complete before any mentioned time I make lot of mistakes.

I am kind of held up here. After the three test results, I am planning to postpond the actuat test date.


I need your advice to how improve my timing with 70-80% accuracy in verbal. My target score is 700-720. Planning to take the GMAT in Oct- First Week.

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by Nee_T » Sun Aug 30, 2009 9:16 pm
Hey,

I was looking up the Kaplan website to buy the Kaplan tests, however, I was unable to find any link to do so. Can anyone suggest how I can buy the Kaplan tests?

Thanks in advance.
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by DanaJ » Sun Aug 30, 2009 10:00 pm
@hariharakarthi: My first question is: why are you taking CATs now (especially if you've just started your prep)? One would suffice: CATs are not mainly for practice, they're just for gauging your current level and timing. I suggest you stop using up the practice tests, save them for later in your prep and focus on practice.

Now, you say you're confident about quant and less so about verbal. Unfortunately, your practice scores actually demonstrate that you need to invest almost equal amounts of time in the two sections. I see your hit rates are acceptable: we sometimes note around the forum that anyone could correctly solve every question on the GMAT, given enough time. That is not the case with the real thing. You have some pretty solid timing tips above.

I have to be honest with you: an almost 300 point increase in score is not going to be a walk in the park. You'll need to invest a lot of time and effort to get there. It's not impossible, but it will be hard work. 450/460 = you do not have all the fundamentals down.

@Nee_T: I don't think they're sold separately. They only come with the prep course. If you buy Kaplan Premier, you get access to 4 or 5 CATs.

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by hariharakarthi » Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:43 am
@DanaJ:
Thanks DanaJ.

The hardest truth is I have been preparing for 3 months for GMAT. I thought, I have completed my practice. Hence, I started taking practice test. But, after reading your comments, I think I need to practice it more. But, most of the OG Problems, I already know the answeres. Therefore, if I redo it, it will not be fruitful. Most of the qn in the forums posted here comes from various practice tests, if I start solving the qns posted on the forums, then I will not do justice to practice tests.

Of Late, I found certain flaws in my test taking ability. When I make a mistake in a qn, then I answer subsequent quenstions also incorrectly. The reasons are as follows,

For the first incorrect qn, I would have spend more than the estimated time say (3 and half minutes for a CR), then for next qns I could not spent more time. So, I start hitting the panic button that affects my test performance.

If I am not able to comprehend a qn in my first read (mostly CR and SC), then I read it again. If don't comprehed the qn in the first read, then also I hit the panic button.

My aim is to complete the SC and CR qn in a estimated time.
SC in 1 Min 15 secs (14 - 16 qn) - 18 mins - 20 mins
CR in 1 Min 50 secs - (12 - 14 qn) - 22 - 25 mins

I think, if I able to solve the CR and SC within the estimated time, then I am good. But, RC depend on the diffulty of the passage. But, my conf will be high when I hitting SC/CR within the estimated time, then I will obviously do well in RC.

To Learn the Basics:
SC:
MGMAT SC Book, I alread read the MGMAT book. And I am reading (telling the rules to myself -during morning commute and verifying afterwards by referring the book again) it aleast two sections per day.
I have completed the OG11 SC qn 3 times.

Solving the Forum qns regularly.

I do have OG -supplement pending. But, I reserved it for my later prep.

CR:
Completed the Powerscore RC bible. Made my flashcards as per each qn type. Revising the flashcards during evening commute to home.

CR, I making lot mistake in test environment. Reason: Mind is not thinking to solve the prob; I read the stimulus and qn and directly jump into ans choices, before pre-phrasing the possible ans.

Please provide me solid startgey to solve my problem.

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by DanaJ » Mon Aug 31, 2009 7:00 am
You have to be practical about the amount of time you spend on one question. If it goes beyond a certain limit, you have to make an educated guess and move on. IMHO, if more than 1 min 30 sec pass without you getting down to two options, then just hit whatever seems more logical.

There's no need to hit the panic button. It only exists in your head, so just will it away! All you have to do is focus, use your time wisely (as stated above) and you'll be fine. Remember: even top scorers get some questions wrong. In fact, at least in quant, getting 3-4-5 questions wrong will still put you at 51. As you get good answers, you're hit with increasingly difficult problems and it's natural to get some wrong.

I think you study regime is pretty solid, but I will reiterate my concern that you also need quant practice. Do not neglect this aspect! I am almost 100% sure you are not a native speaker (your grammar, while not bad, needs just a tiny bit of polishing) and quant brings precious points to people like us.

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by hariharakarthi » Mon Aug 31, 2009 6:56 pm
DanaJ,

Thanks DanaJ. I completely agree with you. I am not leaving the quant. I am giving equal importance to both Q and V. But, Math I don't have any problem with timing. If I don't know to solve a problem in 2 Mins, then I don't know at all. That, I am well aware of that. So, I select an educated guess and move on to the next. Quant, I do have separate plan to overcome the problem. Most of the problem is due to either I don't know the concept or I need to revise the concept. But, I did the hard questions correctly in Quant.

As you pointed out, since I am non-native English Speaker (I would not say Speaker also, I know English little bit.), my problem in SC is checking the errors one by one. (Mostly rule by rule). So, I can not solve all the problems in 1 min 15 sec. In CR, the comprehending the stimulus and understanding the ans choices takes time. Because, my brain has to do two jobs, read and covert that to my native/ Understandable form of language. I surely know where I do mistake in verbal.
Moreover, I do know that it can not be achieved in 5/6 months time. So, I am trying to form a strategy for a best possible way out in verbal.

To get 10 out of 14 SC qn correct in 25 Mins
To get 9 out of 13 CR qn correct in 23 Mins
RC get 70% Correct ans.

If I am able to achieve the above, then I am good.

Please help in my stargey,
SC:
Get into the correct split.
If you are not able to find the correct split,
then check for error in grammar in original sentence.
1. SUB + VERB Agreement - check in suborinate clause also.
2. Check for Parallelism Markers.
Check which is paralled in the sentence parts,
Nouns
verbs etc..
3. Modifiers - Noun/Verb Modifier
4. Comparison - Mostly this one I will find out in the parallelism itself.
5. Verb Tense/ Punctuation
6. Concision - VAN agreement.
7. Idioms.

My problem in the above steps is, I will come to know what is being tested in 45-50 Secs into the problem. By, 1 Min 10 Sec, I will be with 2 or 3 options. After, that it takes time.

If I am able to get the split correctly, then I am doing the problem in 1 Min 15 secs.

If you could guide in getting in to the correct split, then it would be of great help.

Most Importantly, on a given day, some time i get 80% SC correct on the other day it's way down to 40-50%. But, the difficulty level of two SC sets are same.

Let me explain my CR - strategy in my next post.

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by crackgmat007 » Mon Aug 31, 2009 7:52 pm
hi hariharakarthi,

Would you be able to create a separate post requesting a response for your strategies instead of adding to this post? That way, we both can make sure whether all of our questions are answered. I am having few oepn questions of mine for which I am waiting to hear a response. While some of the responses from experts do apply to me too, but I am curious to have answers to the questions that I posted.

Appreciate your understanding. Tx much.

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by DanaJ » Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:13 pm
It seems you have quite the checklist for SC... IMHO, while this is a pretty decent strategy, it takes up a lot of time. SC is not my strongest point, but I'll try to share some advice.

First off, you need to improve your grammar/general knowledge of English. Learning English is not about a set of rules (rules are secondary), it's about being able to speak without needing to convert each sentence into your mother tongue. I learned this from my French teacher and I ended up winning second prize on a national French contest. What I'm guessing right now is that you have a huge set of rules in your head and each time you see a SC question you just run that question through the rules and see where it doesn't fit. That's a time consuming process! IMHO, focus on general grammar improvement for the moment and try to save the SC questions after this.

The checklist you've written there is not a bad idea at all, but you should be able to do this "automatically", so to speak. Usually, when I read the question, I look for verb-noun and parallelism. I've noticed these are the most commonly tested errors in the GMAT. If you see something like "the girl have flowers", you will immediately eliminate every option that has the verb "have". You end up with the coveted 2-3 split and you can work your way from here. Finding the split should not take you more than 30 seconds: 20 seconds to read the question and spotting an error and 10 seconds to write off the wrong answers. Use the rest of the time to comb through the remaining options finding the rest of the errors.

Again, I cannot stress enough the fact that your issues with SC timing stem from poor English grammar. Only the most advanced SC questions feature really obscure grammar rules and you get down to that after the 2-3 split. As I have said, SC is not my strongest point, so it might make sense to ask someone else for advice as well.

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by hariharakarthi » Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:06 am
Hi DanaJ,
In last two weeks, I took 2 MGMAT tests. The scores are below, (This is the first time I took these tests.)

MGMAT Free Test 570(Q-43,V-25)
MGMAT Test 1 560 (Q-44,v-23)

I would like to improve my Quant score to 48 and verbal score to 36. Is it possible? I know the answer is "Yes" But, is it possible to achieve in 30 days.Please provide your inputs to achieve this.

When I analyzed the tests, I came to know about the following,
Quant - I make mistake on Problem solving,
Properties of Numbers and Fraction (Word problem- pick numbers)
Verbal - CR is my weak area. I got only 4 or 5 CRs correct in both the tests.
SC is okay. But, I am working on it to improve.
Please provide your inputs to improve my score.

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by DanaJ » Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:46 am
Taking your quant to the next level will require some focused practice. Why don't you invest in a strategy guide - i.e. the Kaplan Math Workbook or the MGMAT series - to make sure you're using the right techniques? There isn't much else I can recommend for this, since it's such a broad topic. I also highly recommend browsing the forums for problems, especially using the search feature to search for keywords (i.e. "word problem" or "circle").

For CR: have you thoroughly reviewed the CR Bible? It was a priceless resource for me... The fact is, CR means about 10 types of questions, so again it's a broad topic I could not properly elaborate on. But I have noticed that, as far as I was concerned, genuine interest in the questions combined with lots of practice and the CR Bible worked wonders. On my last GMATprep before the big day, I had 0 mistakes in CR.

If you were more specific about the advice you require, I probably could help you more. Anyway, congrats on the score improvement - you're working your way up to the target!
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by hariharakarthi » Thu Sep 17, 2009 8:28 am
DanaJ,
Thanks for your inputs DanaJ.

The reason I try to find is what I am doing wrong here.
To tell you the truth, on other day, I solved 10 CR problems from OG11. The questions starting from 110 - 120. So, I assume they fall under 700-750 range. I solved 8 of them correctly. only got 2 wrong. I was satisfied with my performance.

But,the problem I noted of late on the prep test is that as soon as I read the stimulus and qn stem, I start reading the ans choices. I am not doing the pre-phrasing here.

For example, even though I know two kind's of assumption prob exist: supporter assumption and defeneder assumption. I am not attacking the problem actively.

I start reading the ans choices and judging it.

To simply put, I am not applying the techniques I learned from CR Bible. But, if you ask me the technique for solving the assumption qn, I could tell you correctly.

So, application of technique under timed condition is missing from my side. Any tips to overcome this?

I am sure next time I post you my prep test score in the range 650+. Because, I know I am there in that region, but I am not applying the techniques on the exam day (prep test).

I will see you with my Improved test score... But, waiting for your tips on my specific problem.

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by DanaJ » Thu Sep 17, 2009 10:52 am
So what I'm getting is that:
- you do know the techniques
- your hit rate is not that bad
- problem: you are not actively trying to solve the question.

There are more than one ways to tackle this and the difference lies in the way you approach CR questions: do you read the question first or the stimulus first? I know most prep books tell you to read the question first, but I usually go for the stimulus. I've noticed that this works better for me, because it's helping me critically assess an argument without "being pressured" to find a certain type of answer (i.e. strengthen or weaken or assumption). I guess this is all about personal taste, finding the approach that works best for you.

So anyway... I usually formulate some sort of answer in my head, trying to anticipate what's to come. It doesn't matter if the question is asking for a weakening statement, but I formulated a strengthening one: if any of the answer choices resembles what's in my head, I will instantly eliminate it.

Now, say you prefer to read the question stem first. If that's the case, I suggest you just pause for a brief moment before reading the answer choices and just take a stab at it. I guarantee that if you do this for a bunch of practice questions, it will come naturally after some practice. This combined with critical reading (i.e. nitpicking) will do wonders for your active CR solving.

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by Stacey Koprince » Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:34 am
Received a PM asking me to respond. Dana's got some great advice above.

Well, you don't need 70-80% accuracy for a 700. You only need about 60% or so. So you need to sacrifice some of that accuracy in order to get the timing right.
most of the OG Problems, I already know the answeres. Therefore, if I redo it, it will not be fruitful.
Absolutely not true, actually! It doesn't matter that you know the answers. Doing a bunch of new questions is not how you learn. That's how you practice what you've already learned. You learn by deeply analyzing and reviewing the problems you've already tried. And if you're either not getting the quetions right or you're taking too long to answer them (even if you get them right!), then you have not yet learned what you need to learn from those questions.

You're focused on accuracy at the expense of timing. You're also focused on quantity of problems at the expense of quality study of those problems. You're going to need to change your mindset here.

You know that you're spending too much time. You do an SC question. You get it right. That's great! But it took 2 minutes - that's not great. You are NOT done with this problem. Go back and figure out WHY it took you so long. On which parts did you spend most of your time? Why did you spend that time in that way? Were you trying to recognize which rules were being tested? Were you trying to remember what the rules were? Were you agonizing back and forth between two or three choices? What's the process you're using and where is it breaking down?

Here's the general process I use:
- Read the original sentence all the way through.
- If you happen to spot anything problematic in the original, examine. If it's an error, cross off A. Then scan the other choices vertically, at the same point as that error you found (do NOT read the whole answer choice), and cross off any others that repeat the same error.
- Repeat the above until you've dealt with everything you happened to see on your first read-through of the original sentence (note: sometimes you won't see anything on the first read-through!).
- Then, do a vertical scan of the first word of each choice. If you can identify the potential error based on the differences you see, deal with it. If not, do a vertical scan of the last word of each choice - same thing. After that, do a vertical scan starting at the beginning of each choice.
- If you notice a difference when scanning but you don't know what error that difference might signify, keep going - look for a different split. If you have a vague idea, still look for something else. Find the easiest thing (for you) and deal with that first.
- If you've dealt with everything you know how to deal with and you still have more than one choice left, pick something and move on. DO NOT agonize over it - just pick and go.

Next, you MUST cut yourself off. Given the major timing problems you describe, it's almost certainly the case that your ability level is higher than the score you're getting, but your score is deflated in a serious way because of the timing issues.

Most people have to guess on between 4 and 7 questions per section; it doesn't really matter how good you get. When I say "guess" here, I'm not talking about narrowing it down to 2 in a very credible way and then having to guess. I'm talking about a random guess, or maybe being able to eliminate one or two answers but not in a completely confident way.

Right now, instead of having some control over those guesses, you are just running out of time and being forced to make those guesses all in a row at the end. You can't stop making guesses, but you can have some control over when and how you guess.

Draw 5 circles on your scrap paper. When you hit a question that is just way too hard for you (it will ALWAYS happen, no matter how good you get), put an X in one of the circles, make a guess, and move on. Do this quickly - do NOT take 2 minutes to do this. 30-45 seconds MAX. Do it selectively - when you see the hardest questions. This will also have the effect of spreading the guesses throughout the section - much less harmful to your score than a string of wrong answers.

Re: CR, I haven't used the PowerScore material (obviously! :)) so I can't comment on how to get better with those particular strategies. But I will say that if you find yourself simply not using a strategy that you know you're supposed to use, start asking yourself WHY. Are you rushing? Do your nerves get to you? Do you simply forget? It sounds like you're feeling the time pressure and want to rush straight to the answers. Show yourself that this approach isn't working - you're mostly getting them wrong when you do this. That's a start (in terms of breaking this bad habit). Then, make yourself do the problem again using the correct process. Next, ask yourself HOW you are going to make this process such a habit that you will ALWAYS do it without even thinking about it. (And this might require you, again, to think about why you're NOT always doing it right now, even though you say you do know the process.)
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