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Read the question in the post below and MARK the correct answer.

A
12
21%
B
4
7%
C
2
4%
D
0
No votes
E
38
68%
 
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by dentobizz » Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:39 am
let's come back to the question in discussion. So now that you have analyzed the original sentence and you know that "between 2000 and 2010" describes the time frame of the verb "lost", you review the remaining choices and make sure that the placement of this modifier does not result in any illogical meaning. i.e. between 2000 and 2010 should not provide timing of anything else except the intended modified entity "lost". Notice that the key thing here is that the function of this phrase is to present timing. Its function will not change to presenting some other quantity just because now it is placed at a different location.

Take Away - Follow your logical thought process!
Thanks Payal for clearing this up.

here is the nytimes article with the correct usage as mentioned in your post above.
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/13/us/cl ... wanted=all

and also an article that discusses similar parallelism errors including this one
https://afterdeadline.blogs.nytimes.com/ ... roblems-2/

Highly appreciate your detailed responses to all my questions :)

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by dentobizz » Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:03 pm
Hi Payal,
Since we are discussing parallelism can you please tell me whether this sentence is correct?
or we need to repeat "in which " the list every time??

We live in a world in which crime is rampant, children are recalcitrant, change is the only
constant, and uncertainty is prevalent.

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by challenger63 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:43 am
dentobizz wrote:Hi Payal,
Since we are discussing parallelism can you please tell me whether this sentence is correct?
or we need to repeat "in which " the list every time??

We live in a world in which crime is rampant, children are recalcitrant, change is the only
constant, and uncertainty is prevalent.

Thanks
It's called elliptical constructions (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellipsis_(linguistics)). If the meaning is clear, one can omit repetitive constructions.

Example:
One can learn by studying grammar, [by] writing essays or [by] practicing speaking.

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by dentobizz » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:26 am
I know about the ellipses.What perplexed me was that this sentence was incorrect as per the OA. the correct answer was:-
"in which children are recalcitrant, in which change is the only constant, and in which
uncertainty is prevalent.
"

I don't think we need to repeat 'in which' very time.
the OE said "in which" is part of a prepositional phrase. If we start the parallelism after "in which" we are using parallel fragments. Also without "in which" the subsequent phrases seem to modify the noun "crime" as opposed to "world".

I do not agree with the explanation. So wanted a expert to comment on the same

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by vishugogo » Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:19 pm
thanks for such a wonderful explanation...just wanted some insight regarding option no. B

IN OPTION B APART FROM MEANING ISSUE....You have used phrase modifiers to state parallelism that is used correctly....what exactly are phase modifiers.....

quote="e-GMAT"]Official Explanation

Sentence structure of Original Sentence
"¢ Clause 1 - Between 2000 and 2010, the $10.7 billion ski and snowboarding industry, with centers in 38 states and
"¢ Clause 2 - which employs 187,000 people directly or indirectly,
"¢ Clause 1 (contd.) - lost $1.07 billion in revenue, owing to the warming trend that forces half the nation's ski areas to open late and almost half to close early.

Meaning of Original Sentence
"¢ The sentence is about the ski and snowboarding industry.
"¢ Certain characteristics of industry presented - # of centers and # people employed.
"¢ This industry lost specific amount of money in revenue between 2000 and 2010.
"¢ The reason for the loss in revenue has been specified as - warming trend that forces the ski areas to open late or close early.

Errors in the Original Sentence
"¢ Clause 1 - Between 2000 and 2010, the $10.7 billion ski and snowboarding industry, with centers in 38 states and
"¢ Clause 2 - which employs 187,000 people directly or indirectly,
"¢ Clause 1 (contd.) - lost $1.07 billion in revenue, owing to the warming trend that forces half the nation's ski areas to open late and almost half to close early.

1: Parallelism error - "with" prepositional phrase modifier is not parallel to "which" relative clause modifier. Both should be either relative clause modifier or prepositional phrase modifier.

Answer Choice Analysis
A. Between 2000 and 2010, the $10.7 billion ski and snowboarding industry, with centers in 38 states and which employs 187,000 people directly or indirectly, lost
Parallelism Error as discussed above.

B. The $10.7 billion ski and snowboarding industry, with centers in 38 states and employing 187,000 people directly or indirectly between 2000 and 2010, lost
Modifier Error - Highlighted modifier does not modify the action "lost". It now implies that 187000 people were employed between the given time period. This results in change in meaning of the sentence.
Note that the parallelism error in choice A has been corrected. Both are phrase modifiers now. One is prepositional phrase modifier and the other is verb-ing modifier.

C. Between 2000 and 2010, the $10.7 billion ski and snowboarding industry, which has centers in 38 states and which employs 187,000 people directly or indirectly, losing
SV Error - The main clause does not contain any verb. The subject "ski and snowboarding industry" does not have a verb. The verb "lost" in original sentence has been changed to non-verb form "losing".

D. The $10.7 billion ski and snowboarding industry between 2000 and 2010, with centers in 38 states and employing 187,000 people directly or indirectly, losing
SV Error - As in choice C.
Modifier Error - The highlighted modifier instead of modifying the verb - lost - modifies the industry. It somehow implies that the sentence is about ski and snowboarding industry that existed between 2000 and 2010. This does not make sense. As such logically there is only one ski and snowboarding industry and not about the industry that was between a certain time period.

E. The $10.7 billion ski and snowboarding industry, which has centers in 38 states and employs 187,000 people directly or indirectly, lost, between 2000 and 2010,
Correct Choice


Take Away
1: Clause entity cannot be parallel to a phrase entity. There can be more than one ways to correct such a list. Write both in either phrase form or clause form.
2: Modifiers should be placed appropriately to modify the intended entity.

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by lunarpower » Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:28 am
i received a private message about this thread.

as far as the placement of "between 2000 and 2010" is concerned --
* that sort of thing does sometimes happen, but ...
* ... not in sentences like this one.

here's what i mean:
if the sentence you're trying to modify/describe is really, really long -- long enough to be difficult or impossible to understand if you leave the modifier at the end -- or if that placement would lead to ambiguity, then it's ok to interrupt the sentence with a modifier at an otherwise awkward position.

e.g.,
james spent, in january 2010 alone, over half of the $500,000 inheritance he had received upon his father's death.
--> here, the placement of "in january 2010 alone" is sensible.
try putting it at the end; it won't work. (first, the sentence will be essentially unreadable. second, it will no longer be clear exactly which event -- the death, james's receipt of the inheritance, or his colossal spending -- happened in january 2010.

on the other hand, in this sentence, it's not logical to place "between 2000 and 2010" in the middle of that clause. that's a really short clause, so it would be better just to write ...lost $1.07 billion in revenue between 2000 and 2010.

also, there's no official precedent for the use of "owing to..." (rather than "because of..." or whatever other construction), so it's unknown whether GMAC would recognize that construction as legitimate.
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by lunarpower » Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:32 am
dentobizz wrote:1] I feel that Placement of 'between 2000 to 2010' after 'lost' makes the meaning ambiguous. Because the implication can be XXXXindustry ,lost, b/w 2000-2010 dollars?? people?? no quantifier is mentioned thus the meaning is unclear.
it's clear enough that those are years.
2] if it were 'between the year 2000 to 2010' then it would have been clear.
you can't combine "between" and "to", so this version would be incorrect.
Now for E -- which has centers in 38 states and employs ...

Don't we need to repeat "which" between and & employs (which has centers in 38 states AND which employs)for parallelism?
the parallel constructions are "has..." and "employs...".
4]Moreover, Please look at this sentence in Sydney Morning Herald
"Between 2000 and 2010, the report said, the $10.7 billion ski and snowboarding industry, with centers in 38 states and which employs 187,000 people directly or indirectly, lost $1.07 billion in revenue when comparing each state's best snowfall years with its worst snowfall years."

https://www.smh.com.au/environment/clima ... 2bayh.html

Here -- [with centers ..AND which employs....] construction is used .

5]So this construction is correct?? or incorrect?
by gmac's standards that would be incorrect, as you suspect. (that was probably just the result of hurried writing and hurried editing. mistakes aren't that uncommon in online newspaper articles.)
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by dentobizz » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:31 pm
lunarpower wrote: as far as the placement of "between 2000 and 2010" is concerned --
* that sort of thing does sometimes happen, but ...
* ... not in sentences like this one.

on the other hand, in this sentence, it's not logical to place "between 2000 and 2010" in the middle of that clause. that's a really short clause, so it would be better just to write ...lost $1.07 billion in revenue between 2000 and 2010[/i].


Got your point and thank you very much for the explanation. I found the construction "between 2000 and 2010" just after 'lost' ambiguous (though it was not,got it now) and awkward (for the reasons given by you).

also, there's no official precedent for the use of "owing to..." (rather than "because of..." or whatever other construction), so it's unknown whether GMAC would recognize that construction as legitimate.


Do we always refer to use 'because of' rather than 'owing to'?

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by e-GMAT » Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:16 pm
The discussion here regarding placement of verb modifier "between 2000 and 2010" has shown me one thing - many of you do not feel comfortable placing verb modifiers within comma pairs in the middle of the clause. Let's understand this aspect in further detail.

I will begin with a direct quote from official guide
Modification Problems: Modifiers should be positioned so it is clear what word or words they are meant to modify. If modifiers are not positioned clearly, they can cause illogical references or comparisons, or distort the meaning of the statement."
Thus, the underlying principle is that the modifier should be placed in such a manner that there is no ambiguity in its reference. We will apply this fundamental principle on a few official sentences. For the sake of our discussion, we will consider only correct answer choices in this part.

A: OG12- Question#31 - Correct Choice D.
Even though many of her colleagues were convinced that genes were relatively simple and status, Barbara McClintock adhered to her own more complicated ideas about how genes might operate, and in 1983, at the age of 81, was awarded a Nobel Prize for her discovery that the genes in corn are capable of moving from one chromosomal site to another.

Notice the placement of the modifier "at the age of 81" in the non-underlined portion of the sentence. This modifier modifies the verb - was awarded.

There are a total of three descriptors of this verb: when - in 1983, when - at the age of 81, what - a Nobel Prize. There is no ambiguity about what entity these modifiers modify. Now notice how one of these modifiers has been placed within a comma pair.

Now could there be other ways of writing this sentence - yes definitely. We can place the two modifiers later in the clause as shown (but still separated using comma pair).

Even though many of her colleagues were convinced that genes were relatively simple and status, Barbara McClintock adhered to her own more complicated ideas about how genes might operate, and was awarded a Nobel Prize in 1983, at the age of 81, for her discovery that the genes in corn are capable of moving from one chromosomal site to another.

As you can see, both versions of the sentence are correct. There is no ambiguity in the meaning of the sentence. The basic principle applies. Let's now consider another official sentence:

B: OG12- Question #11 - Correct Choice D.
There are several ways to build solid walls using just mud or clay, but the most extensively used method has been to form the mud or clay into bricks, and, after some preliminary air drying or sun drying, to lay them in the wall in mud mortar.

Notice the placement of the modifier "after some preliminary air drying or sun drying". This modifier modifies the "to verb" - to lay. Notice how this modifier is separated within a comma pair. There is no ambiguity in its reference.

Now would this modifier be placed elsewhere - yes definitely. It could have been easily placed at the end of the sentence as shown:

There are several ways to build solid walls using just mud or clay, but the most extensively used method has been to form the mud or clay into bricks, and to lay them in the wall in mud mortar after some preliminary air drying or sun drying.

Both versions communicate the same meaning and are correct.

Now let's look at the construction of the correct choice in this e-GMAT question:

C: e-GMAT Question - Correct Choice E
The $10.7 billion ski and snowboarding industry, which has centers in 38 states and employs 187,000 people directly or indirectly, lost, between 2000 and 2010, $1.07 billion in revenue, owing to the warming trend that forces half the nation's ski areas to open late and almost half to close early.

Notice that the placement of the modifier "between 2000 and 2010" is absolutely correct. It clearly modifies the verb - lost. In fact in this sentence there are two descriptors of this verb: when - between 2000 and 2010, what - $1.07 billion in revenue. Compare this with the official question #31 above. As with the official sentences above, this sentence can also be written correctly in more than one way.

Between 2000 and 2010, the $10.7 billion ski and snowboarding industry, which has centers in 38 states and employs 187,000 people directly or indirectly, lost $1.07 billion in revenue, owing to the warming trend that forces half the nation's ski areas to open late and almost half to close early.

"¢ The $10.7 billion ski and snowboarding industry, which has centers in 38 states and employs 187,000 people directly or indirectly, lost $1.07 billion in revenue between 2000 and 2010, owing to the warming trend that forces half the nation's ski areas to open late and almost half to close early.


Take away - Just because you see a verb modifier in a comma pair, do not doubt its correctness. If the reference is clear and unambiguous, the modifier is correct.

Let's look at a case in which such modifier is indeed incorrect.

Incorrect Modifier Reference - OG12- Question #3

Although various eighteenth- and nineteenth-century American poets had professed an interest in Native American poetry and had pretended to imitate Native American forms in their own works, until almost 1900, scholars and critics did not begin seriously to study traditional Native American poetry in native languages.

In this sentence the placement of "until almost 1900" is not correct since it can modify either the verb in preceding clause - had professed and had pretended - or the verb in the clause that follows - did not begin. So in this case the placement of this modifier within the comma pair creates confusion since it could modify either of the two verbs. And hence this must be corrected.

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So when it comes to modifiers, the fundamental principle remains the same. Modifiers should be positioned so it is clear what word or words they are meant to modify.

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by hutch27 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:23 pm
wooo got this one right! Keep the questions coming e-gmat! I think this question isn't really worded like an official gmat question but it definitely does test grammar well.