Checked your link brother, the link says for COMMA + FANBOYS that it is used often (but not always) means COMMA + FANBOYS is always correct but sometimes some writes omit comma...in GMAT, though GMAT doesn't test punctuation errors, but still in all official questions you find COMMA + FANBOYS to connect two IC's....hence i follow COMMA + FANBOYS as a strict thing as GMAT follows this rule.GMATToppers wrote:Check this outatulmangal wrote:I have some doubt in your 3rd point.GMATToppers wrote:Hey Atul,atulmangal wrote:I believe Op A is also wrong because it incorrectly joins two independent clauses with only AND...i think COMMA + AND is required.
A delegation of 60 farmers called on the chief minister so as to plead for revival of
the benefit scheme together with the revised compensation package offered by the
government and the chief minister has very graciously conceded their request
the two clauses in (green and blue) color are Independent clauses!!!
Two independent clauses can be joined using a coordinate conjunction.
Hence usage of "and' is not wrong.
The coordinate conjunction can be preceded by a comma, but if it is not necessary.
there are three ways of joining Independent clauses.
1. Independent clause full stop Independent clause
2. Independent clause semicolon Independent clause
3. Independent clause coordinate conjunction Independent clause
coordinate conjunction---> FANBOYS (For, And, Nor, But, Or, Yet, So)
I think the rule is COMMA + FANBOYS should be used to connect two IC's not just a FANBOY word.
If this rule is not followed strictly, then the resulting error is a Run-on sentence error.
https://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/conjunctions.htm
A delegation--interesting
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Good way to remember FANBOYS !!!atulmangal wrote:I have some doubt in your 3rd point.GMATToppers wrote:Hey Atul,atulmangal wrote:I believe Op A is also wrong because it incorrectly joins two independent clauses with only AND...i think COMMA + AND is required.
A delegation of 60 farmers called on the chief minister so as to plead for revival of
the benefit scheme together with the revised compensation package offered by the
government and the chief minister has very graciously conceded their request
the two clauses in (green and blue) color are Independent clauses!!!
Two independent clauses can be joined using a coordinate conjunction.
Hence usage of "and' is not wrong.
The coordinate conjunction can be preceded by a comma, but if it is not necessary.
there are three ways of joining Independent clauses.
1. Independent clause full stop Independent clause
2. Independent clause semicolon Independent clause
3. Independent clause coordinate conjunction Independent clause
coordinate conjunction---> FANBOYS (For, And, Nor, But, Or, Yet, So)
I think the rule is COMMA + FANBOYS should be used to connect two IC's not just a FANBOY word.
If this rule is not followed strictly, then the resulting error is a Run-on sentence error.
Ya but the point is you yourself mentioned the two Independent clauses in the sentence. So shouldn't we use COMMA + FANBOYS(AND in this case) to join them.
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Yes, my bad....even Op D didn't use COMMA + FANBOYS....don't know the source of this problem....sameerballani wrote:Good way to remember FANBOYS !!!atulmangal wrote:I have some doubt in your 3rd point.GMATToppers wrote:Hey Atul,atulmangal wrote:I believe Op A is also wrong because it incorrectly joins two independent clauses with only AND...i think COMMA + AND is required.
A delegation of 60 farmers called on the chief minister so as to plead for revival of
the benefit scheme together with the revised compensation package offered by the
government and the chief minister has very graciously conceded their request
the two clauses in (green and blue) color are Independent clauses!!!
Two independent clauses can be joined using a coordinate conjunction.
Hence usage of "and' is not wrong.
The coordinate conjunction can be preceded by a comma, but if it is not necessary.
there are three ways of joining Independent clauses.
1. Independent clause full stop Independent clause
2. Independent clause semicolon Independent clause
3. Independent clause coordinate conjunction Independent clause
coordinate conjunction---> FANBOYS (For, And, Nor, But, Or, Yet, So)
I think the rule is COMMA + FANBOYS should be used to connect two IC's not just a FANBOY word.
If this rule is not followed strictly, then the resulting error is a Run-on sentence error.
Ya but the point is you yourself mentioned the two Independent clauses in the sentence. So shouldn't we use COMMA + FANBOYS(AND in this case) to join them.
But, as i said earlier, GMAT doesn't test punctuation errors...in my post i just add that Op A have this error too but Op D also had the same thing...so we drop on Op A on the basis of the same "so as to" error....in official question m kind off sure they always use COMMA + FANBOYS and i use this same rule in essays etc...m not an expert so i might be wrong...
My post was based on the posts of old fellow mates (top members)...here is one such post from one of the top member i guess @gmatmachoman
Run-on sentence error
A run-on sentence is a sentence in which two or more independent clauses (i.e., complete sentences) are joined without appropriate punctuation or conjunction.
Example:
I was reading GMAT he was playing football. -----A run on sentence.
Second: How to overcome run on sentence?
Answer:
There are five ways to fix run on sentence:
1. Period PLUS Capital:
Example:
I was reading GMAT. He was playing football.
2. COMMA + FANBOYS:
FANBOYS = For, And, Nor, But, Or, Yet, So.
Example:
I was reading GMAT, and he was playing football.
3. IC + Semicolon + IC:
Example:
I was reading GMAT; he was playing football.
4. IC + Semicolon+ Conjunctive Adverb + COMMA + IC:
Example:
I was reading GMAT; however, he was playing football.
The following is a list of conjunctive adverbs:
accordingly, furthermore, moreover, similarly,
also, hence, namely, still,
anyway, however, nevertheless, then,
besides, incidentally, next, thereafter,
certainly, indeed, nonetheless, therefore,
consequently, instead, now, thus,
finally, likewise, otherwise, undoubtedly,
further, meanwhile.
5. Subordinating:
Commonly used list of subordinating conjunctions:
After, how, till ( or 'til), although, if, unless, as, inasmuch, until, as if, in order that, when, as long as, lest, whenever, as much as, now that, where, as soon as, provided (that), wherever, as though, since, while, because, so that, before, than, even if, that, even though, though.
Example:
When I was reading GMAT, he was playing football.
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atulmangal wrote:Yes, my bad....even Op D didn't use COMMA + FANBOYS....don't know the source of this problem....sameerballani wrote:Good way to remember FANBOYS !!!atulmangal wrote:I have some doubt in your 3rd point.GMATToppers wrote:Hey Atul,atulmangal wrote:I believe Op A is also wrong because it incorrectly joins two independent clauses with only AND...i think COMMA + AND is required.
A delegation of 60 farmers called on the chief minister so as to plead for revival of
the benefit scheme together with the revised compensation package offered by the
government and the chief minister has very graciously conceded their request
the two clauses in (green and blue) color are Independent clauses!!!
Two independent clauses can be joined using a coordinate conjunction.
Hence usage of "and' is not wrong.
The coordinate conjunction can be preceded by a comma, but if it is not necessary.
there are three ways of joining Independent clauses.
1. Independent clause full stop Independent clause
2. Independent clause semicolon Independent clause
3. Independent clause coordinate conjunction Independent clause
coordinate conjunction---> FANBOYS (For, And, Nor, But, Or, Yet, So)
I think the rule is COMMA + FANBOYS should be used to connect two IC's not just a FANBOY word.
If this rule is not followed strictly, then the resulting error is a Run-on sentence error.
Ya but the point is you yourself mentioned the two Independent clauses in the sentence. So shouldn't we use COMMA + FANBOYS(AND in this case) to join them.
But, as i said earlier, GMAT doesn't test punctuation errors...in my post i just add that Op A have this error too but Op D also had the same thing...so we drop on Op A on the basis of the same "so as to" error....in official question m kind off sure they always use COMMA + FANBOYS and i use this same rule in essays etc...m not an expert so i might be wrong...
My post was based on the posts of old fellow mates (top members)...here is one such post from one of the top member i guess @gmatmachoman
Run-on sentence error
A run-on sentence is a sentence in which two or more independent clauses (i.e., complete sentences) are joined without appropriate punctuation or conjunction.
Example:
I was reading GMAT he was playing football. -----A run on sentence.
Second: How to overcome run on sentence?
Answer:
There are five ways to fix run on sentence:
1. Period PLUS Capital:
Example:
I was reading GMAT. He was playing football.
2. COMMA + FANBOYS:
FANBOYS = For, And, Nor, But, Or, Yet, So.
Example:
I was reading GMAT, and he was playing football.
3. IC + Semicolon + IC:
Example:
I was reading GMAT; he was playing football.
4. IC + Semicolon+ Conjunctive Adverb + COMMA + IC:
Example:
I was reading GMAT; however, he was playing football.
The following is a list of conjunctive adverbs:
accordingly, furthermore, moreover, similarly,
also, hence, namely, still,
anyway, however, nevertheless, then,
besides, incidentally, next, thereafter,
certainly, indeed, nonetheless, therefore,
consequently, instead, now, thus,
finally, likewise, otherwise, undoubtedly,
further, meanwhile.
5. Subordinating:
Commonly used list of subordinating conjunctions:
After, how, till ( or 'til), although, if, unless, as, inasmuch, until, as if, in order that, when, as long as, lest, whenever, as much as, now that, where, as soon as, provided (that), wherever, as though, since, while, because, so that, before, than, even if, that, even though, though.
Example:
When I was reading GMAT, he was playing football.
Comma + Coordinating conjunction is the most appropriate usage.
But please do not eliminate options saying that comma is not preceding the coordinating conjunction as that usage is not wrong.
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Thanxx Mate !! really nice quote attached.. helpfulatulmangal wrote:Yes, my bad....even Op D didn't use COMMA + FANBOYS....don't know the source of this problem....sameerballani wrote:Good way to remember FANBOYS !!!atulmangal wrote:I have some doubt in your 3rd point.GMATToppers wrote:Hey Atul,atulmangal wrote:I believe Op A is also wrong because it incorrectly joins two independent clauses with only AND...i think COMMA + AND is required.
A delegation of 60 farmers called on the chief minister so as to plead for revival of
the benefit scheme together with the revised compensation package offered by the
government and the chief minister has very graciously conceded their request
the two clauses in (green and blue) color are Independent clauses!!!
Two independent clauses can be joined using a coordinate conjunction.
Hence usage of "and' is not wrong.
The coordinate conjunction can be preceded by a comma, but if it is not necessary.
there are three ways of joining Independent clauses.
1. Independent clause full stop Independent clause
2. Independent clause semicolon Independent clause
3. Independent clause coordinate conjunction Independent clause
coordinate conjunction---> FANBOYS (For, And, Nor, But, Or, Yet, So)
I think the rule is COMMA + FANBOYS should be used to connect two IC's not just a FANBOY word.
If this rule is not followed strictly, then the resulting error is a Run-on sentence error.
Ya but the point is you yourself mentioned the two Independent clauses in the sentence. So shouldn't we use COMMA + FANBOYS(AND in this case) to join them.
But, as i said earlier, GMAT doesn't test punctuation errors...in my post i just add that Op A have this error too but Op D also had the same thing...so we drop on Op A on the basis of the same "so as to" error....in official question m kind off sure they always use COMMA + FANBOYS and i use this same rule in essays etc...m not an expert so i might be wrong...
My post was based on the posts of old fellow mates (top members)...here is one such post from one of the top member i guess @gmatmachoman
Run-on sentence error
A run-on sentence is a sentence in which two or more independent clauses (i.e., complete sentences) are joined without appropriate punctuation or conjunction.
Example:
I was reading GMAT he was playing football. -----A run on sentence.
Second: How to overcome run on sentence?
Answer:
There are five ways to fix run on sentence:
1. Period PLUS Capital:
Example:
I was reading GMAT. He was playing football.
2. COMMA + FANBOYS:
FANBOYS = For, And, Nor, But, Or, Yet, So.
Example:
I was reading GMAT, and he was playing football.
3. IC + Semicolon + IC:
Example:
I was reading GMAT; he was playing football.
4. IC + Semicolon+ Conjunctive Adverb + COMMA + IC:
Example:
I was reading GMAT; however, he was playing football.
The following is a list of conjunctive adverbs:
accordingly, furthermore, moreover, similarly,
also, hence, namely, still,
anyway, however, nevertheless, then,
besides, incidentally, next, thereafter,
certainly, indeed, nonetheless, therefore,
consequently, instead, now, thus,
finally, likewise, otherwise, undoubtedly,
further, meanwhile.
5. Subordinating:
Commonly used list of subordinating conjunctions:
After, how, till ( or 'til), although, if, unless, as, inasmuch, until, as if, in order that, when, as long as, lest, whenever, as much as, now that, where, as soon as, provided (that), wherever, as though, since, while, because, so that, before, than, even if, that, even though, though.
Example:
When I was reading GMAT, he was playing football.
And i guess this would be the longest quote on BTG
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What is the source? The pronoun their seems to refer to farmers, but the subject of the sentence is delegation:champmag wrote:A delegation of 60 farmers called on the chief minister so as to plead for revival of
the benefit scheme together with the revised compensation package offered by the
government and the chief minister has very graciously conceded their request
A. chief minister so as to plead for revival of the benefit scheme together with
the revised compensation package offered by the government and
B. chief minister and pleaded for revival of the benefit scheme together with the
revised compensation package offered by the government but
C. chief minister and were pleading towards revival of the benefit scheme as well
as the revised compensation package offered by the government and
D. chief minister and pleaded for revival of the benefit scheme together with the
revised compensation package offered by the government and
E. chief minister to plead for revival of the benefit scheme together with the
revised compensation package offered by the government but
A delegation...called on the chief minister...and the chief minister...has very graciously conceded their request.
Given this pronoun issue and the lack of a comma before and, I wouldn't worry about this question.
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