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770 (Q-51, V-42) feels good

by abhishekdrolia » Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:17 am
First I would like to extend my thanks to the BTG. I have been surfing this forum for the last 3 months. BTG is a great resource to get original questions and also to understand basics about verbal section for GMAT. I have been a regular visitor of BTG for last 3 months, sharpening my prep and solving more original question. No other source has been as useful as BTG.

Before providing a debrief of my study, I want to give some information about my background. I am an engineer by profession and have been trying to prepare for GMAT since 2008. I am a non-native english speaker and had very little interest in literature, english or anything verbal. When I started preparing for GMAT I was quiet intimidated by the tough verbal questions. I have always had a good track record in math and was confident about mathematics.

As I found Verbal difficult, I tried a few diagnostic test early in my prep. I found that my weakness was SC and RC. Having decided that I needed lot of work on the verbal section, I took a classroom course by MGMAT. Stacey was my classroom instructor. She did a tremendous job in providing me with all the basics about verbals. I took this course in Nov 2008. I had hoped that I would give my GMAT in Feb 2009, but due to personal reasons I could not take the GMAT then and then kept procrastinating. Between Feb 2009 and Feb 2010, I was on a slow preparation of GMAT. Like a part time job.

During this one year, I did several things to improve on SC and RC. I used the following resource to build basics for SC and RC.

1. Manhattan GMAT
2. Kaplan 800
3. OG 10, OG 11 and OG 12
4. Sentence Correction Guide from ETS (This must be an old resource, a friend gave me, I did not find it on the internet)
5. 1000 SC
6. 1000 RC

Apart from the above material, I started participating in a study group. The study group especially concentrated on SC. We used to solve SC as a mathematics problem. All rules that were developed were tested on new problem and all exceptions were noted, till the rule and its exceptions were completely understood in the context of GMAT. This was possible especially in a study group as an SC can be solved in several ways and only in a study group can make it possible to discuss all solutions. We also extensively used the Sentence Correction Guide from ETS to thrash out all the basic rules that are tested in GMAT. I personally think that the Sentence Correction Guide is a great resource for GMAT preparations. I thought that the OG is definitely a basis for understanding the question pattern in GMAT, but I did not find the OG very useful in developing the basics of SC or even RC. I needed to get beyond the OG to understand the basics.

Apart from the Study Group that concentrated on SC I did preparation on RC personally. I mostly completed the 1000 RC and also some LSAT questions. After completing most of these RC, I understood that RC is not much different from CR. The passage is much bigger and sometime difficult to understand. A CR has a premise and conclusion clearly identified and the structure of CR is mostly similar. An RC can have different patterns, but again an RC has an introduction, a body and a conclusion. Again the questions are on inference or conclusion. So after understanding these similarities it became easier for me to tackle RC. Initially for me, RC seemed difficult as the passages had a lot of information and usually overwhelmed me, but once I understood that the only thing I need to understand in an RC is the structure of the passage, i.e. which paragraph is the introduction, which is the body and which is the conclusion. Further in an RC, if we understand the purpose of the passage and the author's tone that is enough during the initial reading of a passage. Any detail should be understood in the context of the passage. The reader should not sweat out over every detail in the passage. The another important thing that I did during RC was to read the entire passage without skimming the passage. For a difficult passage, I used to take more than 4 mins to read the passage. I never did SPEED READING for RC. I developed these basics after a lot of practice.

After having completed these preparation during Feb 2009 - Feb 2010 as a part-time preparation effort, I decided to give my GMAT in June. I started coming to BTG for additional questions and completed the OG once again. I used to study an hour everyday until about a month before exam when I increased my study during weekends. I have the following tests.

1. Princeton 1 - 680
2. Princeton 2 - 710
3. Princeton 3 - 730
4. Princeton 4 - 720

I found the princeton test very unforgiving. Indeed If I did one or two mistakes early on, my score would plummet. I did not particularly liked that princeton tests scored in such a manner, further the questions were relatively easy. Princeton tests does not prepare you well for tougher questions. If you aim is to score 750 or above, princeton tests maynot completely test you and also may not prepare you for the tougher questions that may come in the actual test.

After finishing Princeton, I have MGMAT test

1. MGMAT 1 - 700
2. MGMAT 2 - 720
3. MGMAT 3 - 750
4. MGMAT 4 - 780

MGMAT provides upto 6 unique tests, but I had already exhausted 2 tests earlier during my diagnostic tests in 2008, so I could only give 4 tests. I found MGMAT math tougher than the actual GMAT. I have a very good understanding of the math section so did not get overwhelmed by the math at MGMAT, but somebody who is struggling with math, MGMAT test may make the user solve more difficult problems than what comes in the actual test. Talking about the math section, I had taken the MGMAT math challenge question and solved more than 150 questions. Somebody who is good at math should do these questions. These questions challenges and prepares well for different questions that may come at the test. Indeed I remember that one question at my GMAT was very similar to one of the challenge question from MGMAT. So the challenge questions are good for somebody who is good at math and wants to score between 49-51 in the actual test.

Verbal sections were good for me, though I thought that the MGMAT pattern of question were different from the actual test, but the tests are good and I would say that these tests came closest to challenging me during the exam and helped me in preparing for the tough question on the actual test.

After giving these tests I gave the GMAT prep exam.

1. GMAT Prep 1 - 760
2. GMAT Prep 2 - 780

I was very happy with my results in these two tests. I also realized after these tests that GMAT maybe easier than what I had thought, but I was happy that I had completed my preparations and that I was ready for the exam.

I had also taken 800score tests. I scored between 700-750 in the five tests. I did not like these tests and did not do much analysis of these tests. These were just practice tests for me.

On the exam day, I reached the center early. During practice tests, I was having a bladder problem, so I had decided to take all the breaks and relieve myself completely and also drink some water during the breaks. The breaks at my center were for 8 mins and checking in and checking out takes some time so mostly you get just enough time to goto the restroom and drink some water.

The strategy for the test was simple. As I have said I had no problem for the math section, so I never did any time management for the math section. I had thought that I will be able to complete my math easily. In the end I was able to do math comfortably.

For the verbal section, I had decided to not stress out about time for each question. I had decided to divide the test in 3 section. I had decided to finish Q-14 by the 50 min mark, Q-28 by the 25 min mark and rest 14 question in the last 25 mins. I was mostly able to maintain this pace. It is very important to not be very fast or very slow during any section of the test. I did take advantage of the fact that I could solve SC question fast. Some of the SC questions I was able to solve within 30 secs, enabling me to put more time for RC. This is a strategy that I had learnt in MGMAT classroom course and it proved very useful for me during the exam. I had purposefully made it a point to not second guess myself in few SC questions once I had reached an answer to cover sometime in SC if I end up putting extra time for RC. Such a strategy ensured a steady pace of progress for me.

Finally I was able to finish the verbal section 3-4 mins before the allotted time. I am personally very happy with my score and I would like to thank BTG, MGMAT and Stacey for my success.
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by shalzz9 » Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:31 am
A nice debrief and a gr8 score

Congratulations.

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by nikhilkatira » Wed Jun 09, 2010 2:45 am
Congratulations for such a fantastic score.

Was actual GMAT verbal more difficult than GMAT prep ?

How do you compare MGMAT verbal and actual GMAT verbal?

Also What did you do in last 2 weeks before your actual test ?
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by ruchisingh » Wed Jun 09, 2010 3:11 am
great score abhishek!!!
wishing u a bright future.

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by vineeshp » Wed Jun 09, 2010 3:56 am
Hey!

Fantastic score. For the kind of prep you have done, you deserve to get a 770!
Simple debrief focusing on GMAT and nothing surrounding that. I loved it.

Just one question, How useful were BTG forums? How did it help you in Verbal? And how did you use it?
A little insight would be invaluable.
Vineesh,
Just telling you what I know and think. I am not the expert. :)

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by youven » Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:33 am
Congrats mate!

Any chance you could share that Sentence Correction Guide from ETS with us? Did a quick search for it and could not find anything.

Many thanks in advance

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by abhishekdrolia » Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:42 am
Was actual GMAT verbal more difficult than GMAT prep ?
I felt that the actual GMAT was more difficult than the GMAT prep. One of the reason to feel like this is that you know that this is it. Mostly you end of second guessing and rechecking your answers. I had the luxury of rechecking my answers in math and ensuring that I did not make any silly mistake, but in Verbal I had to go with my gut feeling once I had arrived at an answer.

Further I thought that the content was a little more difficult towards the end. I remember being confident about the first 10 questions I had attempted. Indeed most were simple. I remember a very tough RC passage around the 30th question mark. It took me more than 5 mins to get through it and by the end of the passage, I had started doubting my strategy of completely understanding the passage before jumping into questions. Indeed in the RC section I had got 2 big passages. One around the 20th question mark. The SC all throughout was ok. I had attended a 750 SC online tutorial given by MGMAT, but the kind of questions discussed on those tutorial were very difficult and confusing and I did not see such questions during the test. I would say that GMAT mostly tests the basics of SC even at a 750 level. The CR sections were very similar to the GMAT prep with some lengthy stems. Once you understand the stem, the answers were simple. Understanding the stem was the key.

How do you compare MGMAT verbal and actual GMAT verbal?
MGMAT verbal was difficult, and also different from the actual GMAT verbal. But I would say that MGMAT verbal was the best practice test that I got during preparation. MGMAT tests you more than required and challenge you mostly. The only problem I saw in MGMAT tests was that it got easier as I gave more tests. Probably they had exhausted their question bank and in the end the easier tests were more representative of the actual GMAT verbal.
What did you do in last 2 weeks before your actual test ?
I was done with all my CAT test 2 weeks before the actual test. I had just kept one fresh GMAT prep test for the weekend before my test to keep myself ready for the actual test conditions. Mostly during the 2 weeks, I practiced questions from OG 12, I practiced questions from the BTG forum, and I gave tests from 800score.com tests. I will say that 800score tests were nor good. The verbal questions especially either were very easy or very weird. These questions were not at all representative of the kind of questions you get during the actual GMAT. So mostly I practiced questions and repeated 2 tests from MGMAT just.
How useful were BTG forums?
The BTG forum was very helpful. As I wanted to get new questions during my practice, I thought that the BTG forum was able to provide all kinds of questions. I liked the timer at the forum. The timer makes to work harder and maintain the timing while attempting the questions in the forum. Again, mostly I used to attempt RC and SC question.
Any chance you could share that Sentence Correction Guide from ETS with us?
I used to have a PDF file somewhere, but if I dont get a PDF file, I will try to scan the printed copy and put it on the forum. I think it is a great resource and should be shared with everyone.

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by youven » Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:12 am
abhishekdrolia wrote:
Any chance you could share that Sentence Correction Guide from ETS with us?
I used to have a PDF file somewhere, but if I dont get a PDF file, I will try to scan the printed copy and put it on the forum. I think it is a great resource and should be shared with everyone.
please do it, many of us non native speakers have a tough time with SC and I am sure we would benefit from this resource as you did

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by ponds_ggn » Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:27 am
Great Score Abhishek !

Can you throw your strategy for CR and the material used for it apart from OG's.




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by abhishekdrolia » Wed Jun 09, 2010 5:04 pm
Can you throw your strategy for CR and the material used for it apart from OG's.
I did not do much beyond MGMAT and OG's. I did not do 1000CR. I did complete the Kaplan 800 and all the usual tests. Nothing more. I had really concentrated on SC and RC, as that were my weaker areas in verbal.

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by shalzz9 » Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:13 pm
youven wrote:
abhishekdrolia wrote:
Any chance you could share that Sentence Correction Guide from ETS with us?
I used to have a PDF file somewhere, but if I dont get a PDF file, I will try to scan the printed copy and put it on the forum. I think it is a great resource and should be shared with everyone.

Would really help a lot of us, if u could share that

thanks in advance :)

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by qwe12 » Thu Jun 10, 2010 10:59 pm
abhishekdrolia wrote:
1. MGMAT 1 - 700
2. MGMAT 2 - 720
3. MGMAT 3 - 750
4. MGMAT 4 - 780
thank you for a great debrief. can you tell me how many mistakes you made in the MGMAT tests and in the GMATPREP tests? i'd like to know what your accuracy rate was... 6 mistakes on the quant? how many mistakes in verbal, etc~ appreciated.

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by adt29 » Tue Jun 15, 2010 6:41 am
Hi Abhishek,

Great score! I have a question for you which will probably show that I am relatively new to the forum--

How is the raw score calculated? What does Q-51 and V-42 mean. I understand the percentile but don't understand the raw score and it seems like that is what everyone on BTG refers to.

I'm also a non-native English speaker, yet unfortunately still need a lot of work on Math. But your guidance on the verbal is certainly very helpful. Thanks and good luck to you!

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by abhishekdrolia » Tue Jun 15, 2010 10:23 am
thank you for a great debrief. can you tell me how many mistakes you made in the MGMAT tests and in the GMATPREP tests? i'd like to know what your accuracy rate was... 6 mistakes on the quant? how many mistakes in verbal, etc~ appreciated.
On the GMATprep I remember clearly, on the MGMAT test I dont remember clearly the no of mistakes that I did in the test, but I will still try to answer your question.

GMATprep - 760

I got 2 math questions wrong. Both these questions were somewhere in the middle. I got 7 questions wrong on the verbal section. All these were SC questions. I did some silly mistakes on the verbal. I should not have got more than 3-4 wrong. The thing to remember here is that my first verbal question was wrong and I still scored 760 so I dont think that it is hugely important to get the initial answers right. I think all answers are equally important.

GMATprep - 780

I got 1 math question wrong and 2 verbal questions. I thought this was a perfect test for me.

MGMAT - 780

MGMAT scores differently. It normally wants you to get several tough questions in a row to achieve a score such as 780. In the math section I have had upto 7-8 wrongs and still got 51. If you get to the 99 percentile level and continue to get tough questions correctly with a few occasional mistakes then MGMAT tends to give you 51 in math. I dont know that whether the actual GMAT scores in such a manner, but I will say that the actual GMAT questions were easier than the MGMAT math section. On the verbal section also, MGMAT score such that few tough questions can be wrong and still you can get upto 45. I remember that on the test that I got 780. I got 2-3 math wrong and around 7-8 verbal wrong. One more thing I was able to finish all the tests 5-7 mins in advance. Especially the MGMAT verbal was quick as most of the questions follow a particular pattern and after completing 4-5 tests, you understand the pattern that MGMAT uses.

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by abhishekdrolia » Tue Jun 15, 2010 10:27 am
adt29 wrote:Hi Abhishek,

How is the raw score calculated? What does Q-51 and V-42 mean. I understand the percentile but don't understand the raw score and it seems like that is what everyone on BTG refers to.
I also don't know how is the raw score calculated. I just know that on GMAT gives maximum of 51 in both the section. I think GMAT calculates the percentile for individual section first and then provides the raw score based on a table. I dont think that the raw score is important, it is just a representation of the percentile. I would say that anything above 40 in verbal is a very good raw score and anything above 48 on math is good score.