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700 DS tough question .. really challenging !

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by nikhilgmat31 » Tue May 26, 2015 3:43 am
half the rate for non-vegetarians. in the statement 1 seems tough to understand at first place.

This question is better to solve using matrix.
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by nahid078 » Sat Jul 04, 2015 2:50 am
I am not a native English speaker and I am little confused with this sentence "The vegetarians attended the party at a rate of 2 students to every 3 non-students".

Plz don't tell me how to express that in digits. If anyone can please help me with words and actual meaning.

Does it mean every two students there is a veg and every three non-students there is a veg?!! Or something else?
Sorry for my bad English.
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by theCEO » Sat Jul 04, 2015 4:42 am
nahid078 wrote:I am not a native English speaker and I am little confused with this sentence "The vegetarians attended the party at a rate of 2 students to every 3 non-students".

Plz don't tell me how to express that in digits. If anyone can please help me with words and actual meaning.

Does it mean every two student there is a veg and every three non-student there is a veg?!! Or something else?
Sorry for my bad English.
Hi nahid078,

It means that for every 5 vegetarians who you see, 2 are students and 3 are non-students
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by GMATGuruNY » Sat Jul 04, 2015 5:14 am
nahid078 wrote:I am not a native English speaker and I am little confused with this sentence "The vegetarians attended the party at a rate of 2 students to every 3 non-students".

Plz don't tell me how to express that in digits. If anyone can please help me with words and actual meaning.

Does it mean every two student there is a veg and every three non-student there is a veg?!! Or something else?
Sorry for my bad English.
The vegetarians attended the party at a rate of 2 students to every 3 non-students.
Conveyed ratio:
(vegetarian students) : (vegetarian non-students) = 2:3.
Conveyed meaning:
For every 2 vegetarians who are students, there are 3 vegetarians who are non-students.
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by Brent@GMATPrepNow » Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:24 am
GMATGuruNY wrote:
meng wrote:Hi everybody, this is actually a 700 level question ! :) I hope that you can solve it within 2 min ! if you did .. I can say that your score gonna be around 700 :)

Guests at a recent party ate a total of fifteen hamburgers. Each guest who was neither a student nor a vegetarian ate exactly one hamburger. No hamburger was eaten by any guest who was a student, a vegetarian, or both. If half of the guests were vegetarians, how many guests attended the party?

(1) The vegetarians attended the party at a rate of 2 students to every 3 non-students, half the rate for non-vegetarians.

(2) 30% of the guests were vegetarian non-students.
Whenever we have groups (in this case, vegatarians and non-vegetarians) that are being divided into smaller groups (in this case, students and non-students), we can use a group grid to organize the data.

Here's what the grid looks like (V = vegetarians, NV = non-vegetarians, S = students, NS = non-students):

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In the grid above, every row has to add up to the total, as does every column. Looking at the top row, student vegetarians + student non-vegetarians = total students. Looking at the left-most column, student vegetarians + non-student vegetarians = total vegetarians.

Now let's fill in the data step by step.

Let T = total.
Since half the guests are vegetarians, V = (1/2)T, NV = (1/2)T.
Since the 15 hamburgers were eaten by the non-student NVs, 15 goes in the center box:

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Statement 1: The vegetarians attended the party at a rate of 2 students to every 3 non-students, half the rate for non-vegetarians.
Thus, for the NVs, students : non-students = 4:3. This means that 3/7 of the NVs were non-students. Here is what the grid now looks like:

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Since in the center box we have (3/7)(1/2)T = 15, we can solve for T.
Sufficient.

Statement 2: 30% of the guests were vegetarian non-students.
No way to determine what fraction of the NVs were non-students.
Insufficient.

The correct answer is A.
I thought I'd point out that Mitch's "group grid" approach is also known as the Double Matrix Method. This technique can be used for most questions featuring a population in which each member has two characteristics associated with it.
Here, we have a population of guests, and the two characteristics are:
- vegetarian or not a vegetarian
- student or not a student

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by axay » Tue Sep 15, 2015 1:58 am
is solve it through diagram and i solved this in 1min40sec
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by Matt@VeritasPrep » Fri Sep 25, 2015 11:52 am
axay wrote:is solve it through diagram and i solved this in 1min40sec
Venns are fine, but a 2x2 matrix accomplishes the same thing and makes one less apt, at least in my experience, not to accidentally mix up or omit any information. If you're only dealing with two groups, each with two subgroups, I think the matrix is safer and more efficient.
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by nikhilgmat31 » Mon Oct 05, 2015 1:04 am
Answer is A with total number of Guests as 70

NVNS= 15

VS/V. NS = 2/3

NV. S/NV. NS = 2 * VS/V.NS = 2 * 2/3 = 4/3

NV. S/NV.NS = 4/3
NV. S = 15 * 4/3 = 20

Total number of NV = NV.S + NV. NS = 20 + 15 = 35

Total number of Veg = 1/2 of Guests

Veg = Non Veg Guests

so total number of Guests = 35 * 2 = 70
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by deepak4mba » Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:06 am
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