Good verbal score mate...if you can get your quant score upto late 40's(which you should do being an IT engg.) and keep the verbal score same,you should be touching 700. You shud definitely be better than q 19.
And whether its the end of the dream? The answer doesn't lie in this forum or in the opinions of ppl like me. The answer lies in your heart. What do you think? Is this the end of the dream?
450(q 19, v 31)...end of a dream?
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hey Karan Hi,
I dont know why in this forum ppl are just ruling on the 'IT engg' thing...that whoever is one is naturally selected for higher quant.
GMAT quant is not something we do in engg...or a test where we derive long proofs, it is a different test altogether given in a very short span with its own tricks and methods.I personally believe that anyone who has strong high school math basics, is usually the peson who can adapt to it mch more quickly (my mother is one of them)...
Like for example I struggle with quant, sometimes on a good day i get 45Q on gmatprep and sometimes i get Q43 even...but not 50 or 49 ....on manhattan gmat i usually run out of time even and get 39 or 35.I was good at calculus but the eggs, ratio, widgets,tanks and pies make my head swim!
So...not too much pressure on the IT engg
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I dont know why in this forum ppl are just ruling on the 'IT engg' thing...that whoever is one is naturally selected for higher quant.
GMAT quant is not something we do in engg...or a test where we derive long proofs, it is a different test altogether given in a very short span with its own tricks and methods.I personally believe that anyone who has strong high school math basics, is usually the peson who can adapt to it mch more quickly (my mother is one of them)...
Like for example I struggle with quant, sometimes on a good day i get 45Q on gmatprep and sometimes i get Q43 even...but not 50 or 49 ....on manhattan gmat i usually run out of time even and get 39 or 35.I was good at calculus but the eggs, ratio, widgets,tanks and pies make my head swim!
So...not too much pressure on the IT engg
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Hey Aslan,
I understand your point. I myself am an IT Engineer(graduated in 2009) from India. You are right when you say that a person who has strong high school math basics, is usually the peson who can adapt to it mch more quickly. But I believe that an IT engineer is one of them. The thing is, we in India have a pattern of learning in which we study Math,among other subjects, for almost 16 yrs if you have opted Engg(10: school 2: Junior colg 4: Engg). That is enough time to get a strong grip on Math. I myself was terribly weak in Math to the extent that I was almost terrified at one point of time. But with time, my Math improved. And the level of Math tested on the GMAT is equal to, or EASIER than,even our 10th class Math.So Quant becomes easier(not easy!! you still need to practice as you might have lost touch) for an Indian IT Engg. Fortunately or unfortunately!!:)
I understand your point. I myself am an IT Engineer(graduated in 2009) from India.
You are right when you say that a person who has strong high school math basics, is usually the peson who can adapt to it mch more quickly. But I believe that an IT engineer is one of them. The thing is, we in India have a pattern of learning in which we study Math,among other subjects, for almost 16 yrs if you have opted Engg(10: school 2: Junior colg 4: Engg). That is enough time to get a strong grip on Math. I myself was terribly weak in Math to the extent that I was almost terrified at one point of time. But with time, my Math improved. And the level of Math tested on the GMAT is equal to, or EASIER than,even our 10th class Math.So Quant becomes easier(not easy!! you still need to practice as you might have lost touch) for an Indian IT Engg. Fortunately or unfortunately!!:)-
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Karan,
I understand your point , and know the pressure India relates to math, but again no two individuals are equal in all respects.
I'm seeing a trend in this forum where a Chinese engineer usually begin to say "..as I'm Chinese engineer..so my quant was obviously good..or I'm an Indian IT engineer so naturally I had to score in high 45-50".Here actually starts the trouble of how we tend to generalize things.Apart from a person who has scored high in CAT or studied in IIT (with a 1% intake of already ppl with very high standardized testing skills)...rest of the people are generally ones who need direction, are away from school for long, or to start with, were never good at taking standardized tests at all.
I have also seen american high school maths and at a certain level it is almost equally leveled to what you may see in India or the British cambridge system, the only thing is it depends on who gains from the stuff at any place .....I was not so good in high school and many of my concepts with ratio and proportion are muddled.My mom had very good concepts from high school and still loves to do all high school math but is unable to delve into calculus or higher math at all!
I understand your point , and know the pressure India relates to math, but again no two individuals are equal in all respects.
I'm seeing a trend in this forum where a Chinese engineer usually begin to say "..as I'm Chinese engineer..so my quant was obviously good..or I'm an Indian IT engineer so naturally I had to score in high 45-50".Here actually starts the trouble of how we tend to generalize things.Apart from a person who has scored high in CAT or studied in IIT (with a 1% intake of already ppl with very high standardized testing skills)...rest of the people are generally ones who need direction, are away from school for long, or to start with, were never good at taking standardized tests at all.
I have also seen american high school maths and at a certain level it is almost equally leveled to what you may see in India or the British cambridge system, the only thing is it depends on who gains from the stuff at any place .....I was not so good in high school and many of my concepts with ratio and proportion are muddled.My mom had very good concepts from high school and still loves to do all high school math but is unable to delve into calculus or higher math at all!
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I have been observing the strange correlation between an age and GMAT score. Do the people present in this forum have something to say about this?nats wrote:I studied for 4 months but office work really affected my prep
Iam 34 year IT professional from india with 10 yrs work exp
Shud I retry or just let it go?
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Hey Aslan,
I do agree with you. I gave you the reason why most of the Indian IT engineers do well in the Quant section on the GMAT. But its in no way a guarantee that ppl from that section do well naturally. They do have to put in the hard yards(like I had to do). Just that its easier to improve Quant for ppl from that section. But the sad part is the ppl from adcom knowit and they expect atleast a decent score, if not a mind-boggling score, from IT applicants.
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Well I dont think there is any correlation between GMAT score and age. There are ppl in early 20's scoring throughout 500-770 and so to are ppl 30+
I do agree with you. I gave you the reason why most of the Indian IT engineers do well in the Quant section on the GMAT. But its in no way a guarantee that ppl from that section do well naturally. They do have to put in the hard yards(like I had to do). Just that its easier to improve Quant for ppl from that section. But the sad part is the ppl from adcom knowit and they expect atleast a decent score, if not a mind-boggling score, from IT applicants.
Night reader
Well I dont think there is any correlation between GMAT score and age. There are ppl in early 20's scoring throughout 500-770 and so to are ppl 30+
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Karan,
I do agree there.Many schools also do it just when they decide not to admit any applicant, for any 'other specific' reason apart from GMAT and counter intuitively, the 'GMAT reason' actually starts making circles.To elaborate on this, on one forum I read about an Indian engineer ruing the fact that he applied to one top 5 B-school with a score of 720...and they posted a declination note saying that, maybe if he were to improve his score or get 3-4 more years experience, than they would probably feel much inclined in accommodating him.The sad part is, the guy actually took the GMAT score to heart saying that maybe he 'does' need to improve instead of looking at the other statement.(?!)
I think its also important not to believe every haphazard suggestion being put on many forums, especially by student admission counselors...one surprising comment I looked into recently was of a student ad -counsellor telling a 99% GMAT guy that his 32 years of age might be a negative check in his B school applications!
I do agree there.Many schools also do it just when they decide not to admit any applicant, for any 'other specific' reason apart from GMAT and counter intuitively, the 'GMAT reason' actually starts making circles.To elaborate on this, on one forum I read about an Indian engineer ruing the fact that he applied to one top 5 B-school with a score of 720...and they posted a declination note saying that, maybe if he were to improve his score or get 3-4 more years experience, than they would probably feel much inclined in accommodating him.The sad part is, the guy actually took the GMAT score to heart saying that maybe he 'does' need to improve instead of looking at the other statement.(?!)
I think its also important not to believe every haphazard suggestion being put on many forums, especially by student admission counselors...one surprising comment I looked into recently was of a student ad -counsellor telling a 99% GMAT guy that his 32 years of age might be a negative check in his B school applications!
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Oh... 
Well we'll know the real story when we apply...I am interested in looking at the profile of that 720 GMAT Indian engineer. From what I have heard, once you score 700+ in GMAT, the score itself is less of a concern. As in, a 770 is equivalent as is a 710...so if you have been told to improve a 720 score is preposterous..
And the advice given to the 99 %ile 32 yr old guy is a foolish one. A 99%ile in GMAT plus a 10 yr exp(I assume he was working in those approx 10 years since graduation) would make his/her profile much better.
Well we'll know the real story when we apply...I am interested in looking at the profile of that 720 GMAT Indian engineer. From what I have heard, once you score 700+ in GMAT, the score itself is less of a concern. As in, a 770 is equivalent as is a 710...so if you have been told to improve a 720 score is preposterous..
And the advice given to the 99 %ile 32 yr old guy is a foolish one. A 99%ile in GMAT plus a 10 yr exp(I assume he was working in those approx 10 years since graduation) would make his/her profile much better.
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Karan,
The guy who was told that he was a bit old, was a chemical engineer/economics graduate from MIT, with 4.8 GPA, a 780 score and was in some oil and gas sector as a consultant!)
The guy who was told that he was a bit old, was a chemical engineer/economics graduate from MIT, with 4.8 GPA, a 780 score and was in some oil and gas sector as a consultant!
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LOLzz....the adcom ppl ll give their hand or leg to get that guy in... will a chemical engineer/economics graduate from MIT, with 4.8 GPA, a 780 score and was in some oil and gas sector as a consultant be a 12 yr old??LOL...The guy who was told that he was a bit old, was a chemical engineer/economics graduate from MIT, with 4.8 GPA, a 780 score and was in some oil and gas sector as a consultant! )
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dont give up!
i honestly believe that the GMAT is not about how "smart" someone is - every aspect of the test can be LEARNED. you just need to learn how to "translate" the problems and practice the GMAT style of solving those problems. And the prep books available show you how to do that - its just a matter of really taking the time to internalize it all. The quant in GMAT has really nothing to do with the stuff people do in real life in these two minute deadline intervals - regardless of what your job is. that is, unless your a GMAT problem author.
try again! im sure you have been through rougher things in life than this test! and as we all know, the GMAT is only a part of the application. Maybe you already have all the pieces adcoms want to see.
i honestly believe that the GMAT is not about how "smart" someone is - every aspect of the test can be LEARNED. you just need to learn how to "translate" the problems and practice the GMAT style of solving those problems. And the prep books available show you how to do that - its just a matter of really taking the time to internalize it all. The quant in GMAT has really nothing to do with the stuff people do in real life in these two minute deadline intervals - regardless of what your job is. that is, unless your a GMAT problem author.
try again! im sure you have been through rougher things in life than this test! and as we all know, the GMAT is only a part of the application. Maybe you already have all the pieces adcoms want to see.
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@ extrapages
I could'nt have said it better.I'm sorry we had strayed away from the subject here but honestly GMAT is all about what strategy you have been following.I got 540 last month and will be trying again.What I learnt was that I was mentally unprepared, not 'internalized' the way GMAT wants you to be.
For example I joined PR and it went overboard with the guessing strategy, not using algebra at all and I had to completely hardwire myself around it, then saw Manhattan and it follows a completely different strategy of good ol equation thing.Personally If I was a trainer I would stand behind a guy and see how he does a calculation and what step he takes to do it.You just needs to analyze yourself and your weaknesses..possibly in a seperate column on excel!...its difficult as humans we naturally tend to overlook our weaknesses, but if you do it you will improve.Consider it just like building muscles in a gym and looking in a mirror, honestly, to see where you need work.
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I could'nt have said it better.I'm sorry we had strayed away from the subject here but honestly GMAT is all about what strategy you have been following.I got 540 last month and will be trying again.What I learnt was that I was mentally unprepared, not 'internalized' the way GMAT wants you to be.
For example I joined PR and it went overboard with the guessing strategy, not using algebra at all and I had to completely hardwire myself around it, then saw Manhattan and it follows a completely different strategy of good ol equation thing.Personally If I was a trainer I would stand behind a guy and see how he does a calculation and what step he takes to do it.You just needs to analyze yourself and your weaknesses..possibly in a seperate column on excel!...its difficult as humans we naturally tend to overlook our weaknesses, but if you do it you will improve.Consider it just like building muscles in a gym and looking in a mirror, honestly, to see where you need work.
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The decision to give up or not should depend on how satisfied you're with where and what you're doing.
If you're satisfied and think that an MBA doesn't make much sense for you,then there's hardly any point in thinking about the GMAT.
However, if you think that you want to take your career places, and you're ready to do anything for it,then taking the GMAT for the second time won't hurt.
Even if one is very weak at Quant, I'm sure that with practice and hardwork ,it's not difficult to get 35-36 on the Quant section .
If you're satisfied and think that an MBA doesn't make much sense for you,then there's hardly any point in thinking about the GMAT.
However, if you think that you want to take your career places, and you're ready to do anything for it,then taking the GMAT for the second time won't hurt.
Even if one is very weak at Quant, I'm sure that with practice and hardwork ,it's not difficult to get 35-36 on the Quant section .
