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by nafiul9090 » Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:55 pm
i pick D for the new version


btw whts the OA for new version

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by lunarpower » Tue Jun 14, 2011 5:23 am
nafiul9090 wrote:i pick D for the new version


btw whts the OA for new version

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new version is (e).

the problem with (d) is that it just says "do not", which implies "do not speak English as a second language".
that's not the same as the intended meaning -- "do not speak English as a second language" would also include parents who don't speak english at all, in addition to the intended group (= parents whose native language is english).
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by nafiul9090 » Tue Jun 14, 2011 6:32 am
lunarpower wrote:
nafiul9090 wrote:i pick D for the new version


btw whts the OA for new version

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new version is (e).

the problem with (d) is that it just says "do not", which implies "do not speak English as a second language".
that's not the same as the intended meaning -- "do not speak English as a second language" would also include parents who don't speak english at all, in addition to the intended group (= parents whose native language is english).
hello ron

is option e parallel to the non underlined part???
my confusion is here "whose parents speak English as a second language.........children whose parents are native English speakers"


as a non-native english speaker i didnt catch the intended meaning

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by lunarpower » Wed Jun 15, 2011 1:01 am
nafiul9090 wrote: my confusion is here "whose parents speak English as a second language.........children whose parents are native English speakers"

the parallelism is between "children whose parents speak English as a second language" and "children whose parents are native English speakers" -- i.e., between two groups of children.

did you forget to write "children" at the start of the first parallel structure, or did you think that those were actually the two parallel structures?

as a non-native english speaker i didnt catch the intended meaning
if you don't understand the meaning of a sentence, that is the one thing that can't be blamed on the fact that english is your second language. see here:
https://www.beatthegmat.com/companies-in ... tml#368498

the only exception is if you don't know the actual vocabulary words in the sentence; in that case, then, of course you won't understand.
however, if you know all the words in the sentence, then it should not be that hard to figure out the meaning of the sentence just by thinking logically about how those ideas fit together.

if you find it difficult to understand the meanings of sentences, then you are probably trying to use grammar to figure out the meaning. don't do that! that's the worst thing that you could possibly do!
just *think* about what the sentence means, and *then* see how well the grammar fits.

imagine receiving a poorly worded memo from a colleague. you wouldn't analyze the bad grammar and then get frustrated and say "i don't understand this memo"; instead, you would just use common sense to figure out what the memo means, even if the writing is terrible.
same thing here.
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by nafiul9090 » Wed Jun 15, 2011 5:06 pm
lunarpower wrote:
nafiul9090 wrote: my confusion is here "whose parents speak English as a second language.........children whose parents are native English speakers"

the parallelism is between "children whose parents speak English as a second language" and "children whose parents are native English speakers" -- i.e., between two groups of children.

did you forget to write "children" at the start of the first parallel structure, or did you think that those were actually the two parallel structures?

as a non-native english speaker i didnt catch the intended meaning
if you don't understand the meaning of a sentence, that is the one thing that can't be blamed on the fact that english is your second language. see here:
https://www.beatthegmat.com/companies-in ... tml#368498

the only exception is if you don't know the actual vocabulary words in the sentence; in that case, then, of course you won't understand.
however, if you know all the words in the sentence, then it should not be that hard to figure out the meaning of the sentence just by thinking logically about how those ideas fit together.

if you find it difficult to understand the meanings of sentences, then you are probably trying to use grammar to figure out the meaning. don't do that! that's the worst thing that you could possibly do!
just *think* about what the sentence means, and *then* see how well the grammar fits.

imagine receiving a poorly worded memo from a colleague. you wouldn't analyze the bad grammar and then get frustrated and say "i don't understand this memo"; instead, you would just use common sense to figure out what the memo means, even if the writing is terrible.
same thing here.
hello ron

this is a great advice. i always tried to figure out grammatical error when i saw a SC problem. if the sentence was grammatically justified then i went for meaning...that was my approach to crack SC problems..now on i will look for the meaning first then figure out grammatical error...


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by lunarpower » Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:22 am
nafiul9090 wrote:this is a great advice. i always tried to figure out grammatical error when i saw a SC problem. if the sentence was grammatically justified then i went for meaning...that was my approach to crack SC problems..now on i will look for the meaning first then figure out grammatical error...


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you will find many things easier -- especially modifiers, pronouns, and verb tenses, but also parallelism and SV agreement -- once you start doing this.

good luck
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by GMATMadeEasy » Thu Jun 16, 2011 6:40 am
lunarpower wrote:
nafiul9090 wrote:this is a great advice. i always tried to figure out grammatical error when i saw a SC problem. if the sentence was grammatically justified then i went for meaning...that was my approach to crack SC problems..now on i will look for the meaning first then figure out grammatical error...


regards nafi
you will find many things easier -- especially modifiers, pronouns, and verb tenses, but also parallelism and SV agreement -- once you start doing this.

good luck
following my experience, i confirm that this works this way much better :)

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by Mo2men » Sun Apr 08, 2018 5:37 pm
Studies of test scores show that watching television has a markedly positive effect on children whose parents speak English as a second language, as compared to those whose native language is English.
A to those whose native language is English
B with children whose native language is English
C with those who are native English speakers
D to children whose parents do not
E with children whose parents are native English speakers

OA: E

Dear Mitch,
This question from MGAMT test.

1- Is 'as + compared' considered wrong? Is there any official question with this construction?
2- If the OA changed to be 'with those whose parents are native English speakers', then is it clear that 'those' refer to children? Is it understandable that refer to children?or may it refer to parents?

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by GMATGuruNY » Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:11 am
Mo2men wrote:1- Is 'as + compared' considered wrong? Is there any official question with this construction?
COMMA + as compared is a valid construction.
An OA in GMATPrep:
CEO's now earn 419 times the pay of blue-collar workers, as compared to 42 times their pay, the ratio in 1980.
2- If the OA changed to be 'with those whose parents are native English speakers', then is it clear that 'those' refer to children? Is it understandable that refer to children?or may it refer to parents?
Proposed revision:
Studies of test scores show that watching television has a markedly positive effect on children whose parents speak English as a second language, as compared with those...
Here, it is not immediately clear whether those is intended to refer to children or to parents.
The OA -- which avoids this ambiguity -- is clearly better than the proposed revision.
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