Are there not enough difficult CR questions in OG?

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I did the 124 questions from OG 12th Edition for CR and got 120 of them right averaging less than 2 min / problem.

Should I look for another resource or is this a good indication that I can relax on studying CR and focus more on my weakness (math) ? Are there actual concepts to study to improve CR? The OG doesn't seem to give any tips whatsoever.

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by vineeshp » Wed Jun 29, 2011 7:23 am
That is a good strike rate. :) You are on the way to a good CR part in your test, I am sure!

You can try OG Verbal too.
I think you should work on the other parts of the test and if you have time left, you can come back to tougher questions such as LSAT CR 101.
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by tpr-becky » Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:53 am
You are doing very well and shouldn't worry too much about CR. I would however keep doing CR on a continuing basis so you don't lose your aptitude. You can use OG verbal for that - just do a few questions at least once or twice a week. There are strategies but it seems that what you are doing is working for you so I wouldn't change it up.

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by Ian Stewart » Wed Jun 29, 2011 1:22 pm
I don't think CR is any different from any other question type in the OG; the questions in the book span all difficulty levels, so the vast majority are below the 800-level. That said, if you answered 120 correctly out of 124, that's certainly an outstanding result.

In general, I find GMATPrep the best source of realistic high level Verbal questions. Because the test is adaptive, you're likely to see several representative examples of difficult CR when you take GMATPrep, and to get as much value out of the (reasonably large) question bank in GMATPrep, you should plan to take each test a few times.

As for whether there's anything you could learn that would help you 'improve' (which I put in quotes because you're already almost getting 100% of your questions right) at CR, I'd think it's unlikely. Some people are fortunate, whether because of their background or their natural abilities, to be nearly perfect without study in one or another area of the GMAT. If your logical reasoning abilities are strong enough to perform as well as you did on OG questions, and if you have a good understanding of what GMAT CR questions tend to be testing (that is, you understand common errors in logic such as correlation/causation or population bias errors, and you appreciate the importance of identifying the scope of a GMAT CR argument), you can probably focus almost all of your energies on other areas of the test. Quant and SC tend to be the two areas people improve at most with study, since these are the most knowledge-based areas of the test, so regardless you likely should focus more on those anyway. But do, at some point, take GMATPrep to see what the highest level CR questions are like, just to confirm your level is as high as it appears to be from your OG performance.
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by David@VeritasPrep » Wed Jun 29, 2011 1:50 pm
I was drawn in by the title of your posting!

Do you want the good news first or the bad news? Good news, okay, we will start there.

120/124 is a great score! The other experts have said some good things. I agree in particular with Ian's assessment. It seems like you may have an aptitude in this area and, frankly, unless you miss lots of CR questions on the GMATPrep (as discussed in Ian's posting) then you might want to stay away from other "tricks and techniques" that people will offer you. There are lots of things that people claim are "rules" that turn out not to be!

If you find that you have trouble with a particular question type at the hardest level - say assumption questions - then you can post in the critical reasoning forum and send a PM to the experts who post a lot on critical reasoning.

Now the bad news for you. The way the verbal section adapts, if you are weak in the SC or RC and especially if you are weak in both, then you will not get the toughest critical reasoning questions - even though you could handle them. So if you want to face enough difficult questions for the test to think you are at the top level of verbal then you will want to have the other two areas in line as well.

Of course, when you write back and let us know that you have gotten great numbers on RC and SC as well then there is no bad news.

In the meantime here is a link to the toughest CR question from the Verbal Review 1st Edition from 2005 (purple book). https://www.beatthegmat.com/bold-faced-q ... tml#294134

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by Buix0065 » Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:22 pm
Thank you all for your advice. This is super helpful, and I'm glad there is such a robust community on this message board to turn to!

Ian--your reference of cause & effect vs. correlation logical errors, as well as population bias, are there good online resources I can take a look at to ensure I'm aware of this? I definitely have not consciously thought about these concepts.

David, really great point about the adaptive nature of the test. Yes, I feel more comfortable with RC than CR, however, SC is an opportunity for me, I hit 75% for OG SC problems. I downloaded a couple guides online suggested on this forum (Sahil and Spidey's guides). Any other thoughts?

PS--that problem you linked was difficult!! It took me almost 7 min to get to the answer. OG 12th edition uses that same write up but asks a different question from it!

I think my game plan from here is to focus on quant and SC and take my chances with RC/CR on the test.

Thanks again all.

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by Ian Stewart » Thu Jun 30, 2011 2:13 pm
Buix0065 wrote:
Ian--your reference of cause & effect vs. correlation logical errors, as well as population bias, are there good online resources I can take a look at to ensure I'm aware of this? I definitely have not consciously thought about these concepts.
I only teach high level Quant these days, so I'm not the best person to ask about Verbal resources. I've generally disliked the approach to CR taken by every book I've read (I particularly dislike the distinction books draw among Assumption, Strengthen and Weaken questions, since in each case your task is really just to identify a 'gap' or flaw in an argument), but perhaps you'll find good recommendations elsewhere.

If you've answered 97% of OG CR questions correctly, you're surely aware of common logical errors even if you don't use the same labels for them as a prep book might. To perhaps save you the trouble of seeking out a book, I can give a partial list of the types of issues I was referring to. The first three are all variations of the same cause/effect idea:

Correlation does not imply Causation: Just because some correlation exists between two things (i.e. when one thing goes up, the other goes up), it does not mean that one thing causes the other. There may, for example, be a third phenomenon which produces both observations. A researcher might observe that people reporting high levels of stress tend to sleep less per night than people who report low or normal levels of stress. It would not be correct to conclude that stress causes people to sleep less. It may be that people mostly suffer stress when they have an overwhelming quantity of work, and it is this overwhelming quantity of work which produces both observations: high stress and a lack of sleep.

Did A cause B, or the reverse?: When someone concludes that one thing causes a second thing, there is an assumption that the second thing did not cause the first. In the example above about stress and sleep, if one concludes that stress causes people to lose sleep, one is assuming that the reverse is not true: that losing sleep causes people to suffer from stress.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc ("after this, therefore because of this") : just because one event follows another, it does not mean the first event caused the second. The events may be completely unrelated. For example, if I wake up one morning, then the sun comes up, I can't conclude that by waking up I caused the sun to rise. Or to give a more GMAT-like example, if a question read "Country X imposed a year-long trade embargo on Country Y at the end of 2009. In 2010, Country Y's exports were down 20% from the previous year". It would be a logical mistake, without further information, to conclude that the trade embargo was responsible for the decline in exports. Perhaps Country X is some tiny nation like Tuvalu, and the trade embargo was almost irrelevant to Country Y's economy. There may be all kinds of other explanations for Country Y's loss of exports - a manufacturing decline in Country Y, for example.

Population/Sample Bias: When you conduct an experiment on a sample from a population, you can only generalize your conclusion to the entire population if your sample is 'representative' of the entire population. If the sample is somehow 'special' or different from the general population, it is a logical mistake to draw a conclusion about the entire population from the sample. This error is often called 'sample bias', and is a particular issue in real-life polling (it's why most internet polls are unreliable). To give a GMAT-like example, if a polling company surveys 1000 people from a list of cell phone subscribers in a certain country and learns that 60% of these people intend to vote for Party A in tomorrow's election, it would be a mistake to conclude from this (without more information) that Party A will win tomorrow's election. It is very possible that the group surveyed, cell phone subscribers, is not representative of the population at large; people owning cell phones might tend to be wealthier overall than the population at large, and might therefore have different voting preferences, and it may be that Party B is heavily favoured among people who do not have cell phones.

A ratio is not a number: Many CR questions test misapplications of mathematics, almost always misapplications of percentages or ratios. For example, just because a percentage goes up, you cannot conclude that an actual number increased. If you were told that the percentage of employees at Company X who are men increased from 60% at the end of 2009 to 70% at the end of 2010, it would not be correct, without further information, to conclude that Company X's hiring practices favoured male job applicants in 2010. Company X may not have hired a single person in 2010; it may instead be the case that several female employees retired during 2010.

That's just a partial list, but if you already have an 'intuitive' understanding of the logical issues above, you certainly don't need to learn labels to describe them, which is what you'd pick up from a book.
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