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by tanviet » Wed Jul 15, 2009 5:53 pm

thank you Stacey. I do not see your explantion can be applied to the 2 following questions

In the question 73, OG11, why "like" in a is wrong

According to a recent poll, owning and living in a freestanding house on its own land is still a goal of a majority of young adults,// like that of earlier generations//

a,

b, as that for earlier generations

c,just as earlier generations did

d, as have earlier generations

e, as it was of earlier generationn

and in the question 122, OG11 why "as" in C is wrong (not why "others" is wrong?)

More than 30 years ago Dr.Barbara McClintock, the Nobel Prize Winner, reported that genes can jump, //as pearls moving mysteriously from one necklace to another//

a,

b,like pearl moving mysteriously from one necklace to another

c, as pearls do that move mysteriously from one necklace to others

d, like pearls do that move mysteriously from one necklace to others

e, as do pearls that move mysteriously from one necklace to some other one

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by Alpha800 » Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:49 pm

duongthang wrote:thank you Stacey. I do not see your explantion can be applied to the 2 following questions

In the question 73, OG11, why "like" in a is wrong

According to a recent poll, owning and living in a freestanding house on its own land is still a goal of a majority of young adults,// like that of earlier generations//

a,

b, as that for earlier generations

c,just as earlier generations did

d, as have earlier generations

e, as it was of earlier generationn

and in the question 122, OG11 why "as" in C is wrong (not why "others" is wrong?)

More than 30 years ago Dr.Barbara McClintock, the Nobel Prize Winner, reported that genes can jump, //as pearls moving mysteriously from one necklace to another//

a,

b,like pearl moving mysteriously from one necklace to another

c, as pearls do that move mysteriously from one necklace to others

d, like pearls do that move mysteriously from one necklace to others

e, as do pearls that move mysteriously from one necklace to some other one

duongthang, are you reading the explanations to the answers from OG?

I admit 122 is somewhat tricky as I also chose C as the correct answer, however, OG explains--and I'm not entirely convinced myself of OG's explanation--that the use of "jump" is a simile. There was no real movement, so "as" should not be used.

As I said, I'm not entirely convinced of this explanation myself. It seems like a weak cop-out to me.

Stacey, if you have time, I would like a quick refresher on clauses, fragments, and phrases. What is the distinguishing element among each of these three? Thanks.

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by Stacey Koprince » Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:51 am

We're not officially allowed to discuss OG questions (copyright invoked by GMAC), so I'll have to be brief.

What does "that" stand for? (It's a pronoun - so what is it referring to?)

Goal? Like a goal of earlier generations? What is like a goal?
Majority? Like a majority of earlier generations? What is like a majority?

The meaning is ambiguous. The other choices don't use like. Therefore, we can't use like.

Alpha does have it right as the official explanation for the "jump" thing. I also don't like that explanation so much. But I guess we have to live with it.

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by Stacey Koprince » Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:57 am

Clauses = some string of words containing both a subject and a tensed (conjugated) verb. Easiest way to spot: look for a conjugated verb. She went to the store.

Phrase = some string of words that does not contain a conjugated verb (though it can contain something called a "verbal"). Hungry, she went to the store.

Verbal = a non-conjugated verb form. Eg, an infinitive (to run), a gerund (-ing word used as a noun), a participle (-ing or -ed word used as a modifier). Her stomach growling, she went to the store.

Fragment = a sentence that does not contain a main, or independent, clause (in other words, there's no main subject + verb construction in the sentence). Hungry, she to the store.

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by soni.vikasvardhan » Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:50 am

Hi Stacey

please give your view on the correctness of the following sentences.

1. John, like Ram, walks fast.
2. John walks fast as Ram does.

Shall I take it as comparison between nouns and use "like" or take it as comparison between verbs and use "as".

Please help.

thanks
vikas...

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by tanviet » Mon Nov 09, 2009 6:40 am

I wish to sum up the use of like and as

"like" is used to compare nouns and nouns must be logic to compare

"as" is used to compare clause and clauses must be logic to compare

when the logic permit both to compare nouns and to compare clauses, you can make a sentence either way.

when you see "like'and "as" ask yourself

which is more logic, comparison of noun or comparison of clauses and

or both ways are logic

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by navdeepbajwa » Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:48 am

1 John, like Ram, walks fast.
2. John walks fast as Ram does.

i think first one is correct we are comparing "john and ram" not their walk

second should be
John walks as fast as Ram does. here we are comparing their "walk" not them

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by navdeepbajwa » Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:53 am

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by divineacclivity » Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:25 pm

Hi Stacey,

I read all your explanations above. It cleared a lot of my doubts, thank you.
I have a query here:

Manhattan gives the following example but I'm not able to follow why it says so:
"My grandfather eats LIKE a child, slurping loudly and helping himself to plenty of ketchup."
The explanation: We use like, not as, to make this comparison because a child is a noun , not a clause.
Please explain bcs the following sentence sounds better to me since actions are being compared here:
"My grandfather eats AS a child DOES, slurping loudly and helping himself to plenty of ketchup."

thank you!

~ DA

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