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by vivek.kapoor83 » Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:35 am
Before George Eliot became the popular and
respected novelist known as George Eliot, she
was an anonymous translator and essayist of
formidably far-ranging scholarship.
(A) Before George Eliot became the popular
and respected novelist known as George
Eliot, she was
(B) Before she had been the popular and
respected novelist, George Eliot, she was
(C) George Eliot has been the popular and
respected novelist, George Eliot, after
such time as she was
(D) Before George Eliot became the popular
and respected novelist, George Eliot, she
was
(E) George Eliot, before she was the popular
and respected novelist, George Eliot, had
been
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by Jatinder » Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:58 am
IMO A (Not sure)

I see the modifier problems in other choices.

Explanation if it is the OA
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by logitech » Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:04 am
I would go with D, because it it is more concise

(A) Before George Eliot became the popular
and respected novelist known as George
Eliot, she was - wordy

(B) Before she had been the popular and
respected novelist, George Eliot, she was - Tense error


(C) George Eliot has been the popular and
respected novelist, George Eliot, after
such time as she was Wordy

(D) Before George Eliot became the popular
and respected novelist, George Eliot, she
was

(E) George Eliot, before she was the popular
and respected novelist, George Eliot, had
been Tense Error
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by iamcste » Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:34 am
IMO D

Explanations same as given by logitech

Additonal inputs

1. Before...., she was

so to be parallel, we need simple past became

also, as per SWE one should use perfect or progressive tenses only when it is really required...

2. Past perfect is used for the earlier event in case of 2 past actions....and simple past for later event

here, later event is "Popular novelist" so usage of past perfect is incorrect
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by Jatinder » Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:01 pm
logitech wrote:I would go with D, because it it is more concise

(A) Before George Eliot became the popular
and respected novelist known as George
Eliot, she was - wordy

(B) Before she had been the popular and
respected novelist, George Eliot, she was - Tense error


(C) George Eliot has been the popular and
respected novelist, George Eliot, after
such time as she was Wordy

(D) Before George Eliot became the popular
and respected novelist, George Eliot, she
was

(E) George Eliot, before she was the popular
and respected novelist, George Eliot, had
been Tense Error
@Logitech, Is there a tense error in E.
I guess chronological order is maintained correctly as in the following sentence: Mary had bought that shirt before she saw it was damaged.

Correct me if i am wrong.
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by vivek.kapoor83 » Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:40 pm
I also went for D...but it is not the OA.............
OA is A.
Jatider....Pls explain................
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by logitech » Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:13 pm
Jatinder wrote:
logitech wrote:I would go with D, because it it is more concise

(A) Before George Eliot became the popular
and respected novelist known as George
Eliot, she was - wordy

(B) Before she had been the popular and
respected novelist, George Eliot, she was - Tense error


(C) George Eliot has been the popular and
respected novelist, George Eliot, after
such time as she was Wordy

(D) Before George Eliot became the popular
and respected novelist, George Eliot, she
was

(E) George Eliot, before she was the popular
and respected novelist, George Eliot, had
been Tense Error
@Logitech, Is there a tense error in E.
I guess chronological order is maintained correctly as in the following sentence: Mary had bought that shirt before she saw it was damaged.

Correct me if i am wrong.
This is a good discussion by the way.

I am not sure whether we can use past perfect if we already know what happened BEFORE...in that sentence the word BEFORE kind of threw me out...any comments ?
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by Jatinder » Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:44 pm
I actually didn't understand the intent of saying the same name again:

Before George Eliot became the popular and
respected novelist known as George Eliot

Anyway's here is what i have to say:

A) Before George Eliot became the popular
and respected novelist known as George
Eliot, she was :i could not find any grammatical error

B) Before she had been the popular and
respected novelist, George Eliot, she was


Should be something like:
Before she had been the popular and
respected novelist, George Eliot was

it makes the clear structure of
dependant clause, independant clause

((C) George Eliot has been the popular and
respected novelist, George Eliot, after
such time as she was

Same problem

(D) Before George Eliot became the popular
and respected novelist, George Eliot, she
was

Same problem

(E) George Eliot, before she was the popular
and respected novelist, George Eliot, had
been
Should have been:


George Eliot, before she was the popular
and respected novelist, had
been

Well!! This is my view. It would be great if some expert comment on this.
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by vivek.kapoor83 » Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:59 pm
Past perfect is used only in 1 condition :

If 2 cases occured in the past at diff times and 1 case has to be finished, before 2nd starts.If 1 is continuining and other starts then, it ll be simple past.

George Eliot, before she was the popular
and respected novelist, George Eliot, had
been an anonymous translator and essayist of
formidably far-ranging scholarship.

---- Here you can see, this will be right, if she ceases to be translator and then becomes Novelist..So we are not sure of this..so wrong...
and in context of sentece..it seems like George Eliot being used reduntantly...


George Eliot, before she was the popular
and respected novelist, She had
been an anonymous translator and essayist of
formidably far-ranging scholarship. .........This would have been correct I feel....



but what about OA ? why A is correct and wht is wrong with D..........
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by vivek.kapoor83 » Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:08 pm
Dont u guys think, this is the probelm with reduancncy ...by using george elliot twice..?
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by logitech » Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:46 pm
vivek.kapoor83 wrote:Dont u guys think, this is the probelm with reduancncy ...by using george elliot twice..?
Nope that is idiomatic actually.


One of them is his name, the second one is who he became.

Before Micheal Jordan became MICHEALLLL JORDANNNNNNNNNN!! 8)
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by vivek.kapoor83 » Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:15 am
logitech wrote:
vivek.kapoor83 wrote:Dont u guys think, this is the probelm with reduancncy ...by using george elliot twice..?
Nope that is idiomatic actually.


One of them is his name, the second one is who he became.

Before Micheal Jordan became MICHEALLLL JORDANNNNNNNNNN!! 8)
if u take this in account, then in D...it is before Elliot became .... , Elliot...So D is wrong.But u chose D..wt is ur say
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by gmat009 » Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:04 am
I think your question is not correct.
A is right option but it should have "had been" instead of "was".
What is source of question
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by vivek.kapoor83 » Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:49 am
Source of question is v authentic........Kaplan...
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by sam98034 » Thu Nov 06, 2008 12:57 am
Take the fluff out and you'll see that, among other things, there are too many commas.

(B) Before she had been the popular and
respected novelist, George Eliot, she was

Before she had been the novelist George Eliot, she was....theres too many commas

(C) George Eliot has been the popular and
respected novelist, George Eliot, after
such time as she was

George has been the novelist Eliot after such time as she was...too many commas

(D) Before George Eliot became the popular
and respected novelist, George Eliot, she
was

Before George became the novelist Eliot, she was...too many commas


(E) George Eliot, before she was the popular
and respected novelist, George Eliot, had
been

George, before she was the novelist Eliot, had been...too many commas
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