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Thelonious Monk

by PGMAT » Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:48 pm
Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted in the stride-piano tradition of Willie Smith and Duke Ellington, yet in many ways he stood apart from the mainstream jazz repertory.

a) Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted
b) Thelonious Monk, the jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work that was rooted both
c) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk, who produced a body of work rooted
d) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work that was rooted
e) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work rooted both

OA is D. Can some one explain why B is incorrect? Aren't the commas necessary in this case?

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by stormier » Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:06 pm
PGMAT wrote:Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted in the stride-piano tradition of Willie Smith and Duke Ellington, yet in many ways he stood apart from the mainstream jazz repertory.

a) Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted
b) Thelonious Monk, the jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work that was rooted both
c) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk, who produced a body of work rooted
d) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work that was rooted
e) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work rooted both

OA is D. Can some one explain why B is incorrect? Aren't the commas necessary in this case?

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None of the options that use both is correct.

Option B says -

produced a body of work rooted both in the stride-piano tradition of WS and DE...

It would have been correct if it read as - ...body of work rooted in the stride-piano tradition of both WS and DE

It would have also been correct if it read as - ..body of work rooted both in the stride-piano tradition of WS and DE and in ........, yet

None of the options with both (A, B and E) has a parallel structure.

The following are parallel

both in X and in Y
in both X and Y

Option D is correct - the work was rooted in only one thing and not two, the one thing being - the stride-piano tradition of WS and DE.

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by PGMAT » Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:15 pm
stormier wrote:
PGMAT wrote:Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted in the stride-piano tradition of Willie Smith and Duke Ellington, yet in many ways he stood apart from the mainstream jazz repertory.

a) Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted
b) Thelonious Monk, the jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work that was rooted both
c) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk, who produced a body of work rooted
d) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work that was rooted
e) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work rooted both

OA is D. Can some one explain why B is incorrect? Aren't the commas necessary in this case?

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None of the options that use both is correct.

Option B says -

produced a body of work rooted both in the stride-piano tradition of WS and DE...

It would have been correct if it read as - ...body of work rooted in the stride-piano tradition of both WS and DE

It would have also been correct if it read as - ..body of work rooted both in the stride-piano tradition of WS and DE and in ........, yet

None of the options with both (A, B and E) has a parallel structure.

The following are parallel

both in X and in Y
in both X and Y

Option D is correct - the work was rooted in only one thing and not two, the one thing being - the stride-piano tradition of WS and DE.

Hope it helps
great explanation. thank you.
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by lunarpower » Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:29 am
stormier wrote:
PGMAT wrote:Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted in the stride-piano tradition of Willie Smith and Duke Ellington, yet in many ways he stood apart from the mainstream jazz repertory.

a) Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted
b) Thelonious Monk, the jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work that was rooted both
c) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk, who produced a body of work rooted
d) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work that was rooted
e) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work rooted both

OA is D. Can some one explain why B is incorrect? Aren't the commas necessary in this case?

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None of the options that use both is correct.

Option B says -

produced a body of work rooted both in the stride-piano tradition of WS and DE...

It would have been correct if it read as - ...body of work rooted in the stride-piano tradition of both WS and DE

It would have also been correct if it read as - ..body of work rooted both in the stride-piano tradition of WS and DE and in ........, yet

None of the options with both (A, B and E) has a parallel structure.

The following are parallel

both in X and in Y
in both X and Y

Option D is correct - the work was rooted in only one thing and not two, the one thing being - the stride-piano tradition of WS and DE.

Hope it helps
this is an excellent deconstruction of the parallelism problem, yes.

to the original poster -- no sense in asking "aren't the commas necessary"; remember that correct answers are always correct!
"isn't this wrong" is a pointless question to ask about officially correct answers; the answer will always be "no, it's not wrong".

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in this case:

this is a special idiom. if you preface someone's name with a noun describing their occupation (or other NOUN describing what that person does), you DO NOT use a comma.

if there's an indefinite article ("a/an"), you DO use a comma. if there's a definite article ("the"), then you generally don't.

if it's an adjective, you DO use a comma.

example:
Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk ... --> correct
A jazz pianist and composer, Thelonious Monk ... --> correct
The jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk ... --> correct
Creative and original, Thelonious Monk ... --> correct
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by PGMAT » Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:05 pm
lunarpower wrote:
stormier wrote:
PGMAT wrote:Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted in the stride-piano tradition of Willie Smith and Duke Ellington, yet in many ways he stood apart from the mainstream jazz repertory.

a) Thelonious Monk, who was a jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work both rooted
b) Thelonious Monk, the jazz pianist and composer, produced a body of work that was rooted both
c) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk, who produced a body of work rooted
d) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work that was rooted
e) Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work rooted both

OA is D. Can some one explain why B is incorrect? Aren't the commas necessary in this case?

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None of the options that use both is correct.

Option B says -

produced a body of work rooted both in the stride-piano tradition of WS and DE...

It would have been correct if it read as - ...body of work rooted in the stride-piano tradition of both WS and DE

It would have also been correct if it read as - ..body of work rooted both in the stride-piano tradition of WS and DE and in ........, yet

None of the options with both (A, B and E) has a parallel structure.

The following are parallel

both in X and in Y
in both X and Y

Option D is correct - the work was rooted in only one thing and not two, the one thing being - the stride-piano tradition of WS and DE.

Hope it helps
this is an excellent deconstruction of the parallelism problem, yes.

to the original poster -- no sense in asking "aren't the commas necessary"; remember that correct answers are always correct!
"isn't this wrong" is a pointless question to ask about officially correct answers; the answer will always be "no, it's not wrong".

--

in this case:

this is a special idiom. if you preface someone's name with a noun describing their occupation (or other NOUN describing what that person does), you DO NOT use a comma.

if there's an indefinite article ("a/an"), you DO use a comma. if there's a definite article ("the"), then you generally don't.

if it's an adjective, you DO use a comma.

example:
Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk ... --> correct
A jazz pianist and composer, Thelonious Monk ... --> correct
The jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk ... --> correct
Creative and original, Thelonious Monk ... --> correct
got it, fantastic explanation. Thank you.
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by tetura84 » Thu Feb 17, 2011 9:37 pm
Would like to post my analysis

The idiom is, both X and Y - where X and Y are parallel
A. both rooted ... and DE = not parallel
B. both in the ... and DE = not parallel
C. TM, , who produced a body of work rooted = seems TM rooted, but actually the work rooted
E. Again, both in the ... and DE = not parallel
D. ..work that was rooted = relative pronoun that clearly refers to work
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by lunarpower » Fri Feb 18, 2011 3:05 am
tetura84 wrote:Would like to post my analysis

The idiom is, both X and Y - where X and Y are parallel
A. both rooted ... and DE = not parallel
B. both in the ... and DE = not parallel
C. TM, , who produced a body of work rooted = seems TM rooted, but actually the work rooted
E. Again, both in the ... and DE = not parallel
D. ..work that was rooted = relative pronoun that clearly refers to work
you are correct about the parallelism.

your analysis of choice (c) is incorrect, though -- the modifier is not an issue. in fact, since the modifier is not set by a comma, it's understood to modify what is directly next to it, i.e., "body of work". so that modifier is fine.

the problem with choice (c) is that it's not a sentence -- it's a fragment.
it's just "just pianist and composer thelonious monk" + modifier + , + YET + complete clause. this isn't a proper structure -- if you have "comma + YET + complete sentence", then the part coming before that comma must also be a complete sentence.
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by amaelle » Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:08 am
Good day All

Ron , sorry if i'm late but i would like to ask you about what you have said concerning choice C

the problem with choice (c) is that it's not a sentence -- it's a fragment.
it's just "just pianist and composer thelonious monk" + modifier + , + YET + complete clause. this isn't a proper structure -- if you have "comma + YET + complete sentence", then the part coming before that comma must also be a complete sentence.

does this rule hold true for all the fanboys?? and what are the other cases in which we may have the same kind of structure.

Thanks a lot in advance.

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by lunarpower » Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:41 pm
amaelle wrote:Good day All

Ron , sorry if i'm late but i would like to ask you about what you have said concerning choice C

the problem with choice (c) is that it's not a sentence -- it's a fragment.
it's just "just pianist and composer thelonious monk" + modifier + , + YET + complete clause. this isn't a proper structure -- if you have "comma + YET + complete sentence", then the part coming before that comma must also be a complete sentence.

does this rule hold true for all the fanboys??


it should, yes.
and what are the other cases in which we may have the same kind of structure.
i'm sorry, but i don't understand what this question means -- could you please elaborate?
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by suavesin » Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:14 am
I have a small doubt in this question
Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk
if the article 'THE' is not used here, won't it be 2 persons i.e jazz pianist is one person and composer Thelonious Monk another person.
when I went through this question, I actually thought this option is wrong because its ambiguous whereas B correctly identifies the article ...Can you please explain where did I go wrong?
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