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by vikram4689 » Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:04 am
Visitors to the park have often looked up into the leafy canopy and saw monkeys sleeping on the branches, whose arms and legs hang like socks on a clothesline.
(A) saw monkeys sleeping on the branches, whose arms and legs hang
(B) saw monkeys sleeping on the branches, whose arms and legs were hanging
(C) saw monkeys sleeping on the branches, with arms and legs hanging
(D) seen monkeys sleeping on the branches, with arms and legs hanging
(E) seen monkeys sleeping on the branches, whose arms and legs have hung

QUERY: prepositional phrase(with...) in D is an adverb but which is the verb that it modifies ? sleeping is NOT verb, we have only 2 verbs "have looked" & "have seen" both of which does not make sense as adverbial modifier,which must comply with subject & verb, does not comply with their subject -visitors
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by GMATGuruNY » Sun Jul 22, 2012 4:11 am
vikram4689 wrote:Visitors to the park have often looked up into the leafy canopy and saw monkeys sleeping on the branches, whose arms and legs hang like socks on a clothesline.
(A) saw monkeys sleeping on the branches, whose arms and legs hang
(B) saw monkeys sleeping on the branches, whose arms and legs were hanging
(C) saw monkeys sleeping on the branches, with arms and legs hanging
(D) seen monkeys sleeping on the branches, with arms and legs hanging
(E) seen monkeys sleeping on the branches, whose arms and legs have hung

QUERY: prepositional phrase(with...) in D is an adverb but which is the verb that it modifies ? sleeping is NOT verb, we have only 2 verbs "have looked" & "have seen" both of which does not make sense as adverbial modifier,which must comply with subject & verb, does not comply with their subject -visitors
Here, sleeping serves an ADJECTIVE modifying monkeys.
An adverb can modify an adjective.
With arms and legs hanging serves as an ADVERB modifying the adjective sleeping.
HOW are the monkeys sleeping?
They are sleeping WITH ARMS AND LEGS HANGING LIKE SOCKS ON A CLOTHESLINE.
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by vikram4689 » Sun Jul 22, 2012 4:35 am
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vikram4689 wrote:Visitors to the park have often looked up into the leafy canopy and saw monkeys sleeping on the branches, whose arms and legs hang like socks on a clothesline.
(A) saw monkeys sleeping on the branches, whose arms and legs hang
(B) saw monkeys sleeping on the branches, whose arms and legs were hanging
(C) saw monkeys sleeping on the branches, with arms and legs hanging
(D) seen monkeys sleeping on the branches, with arms and legs hanging
(E) seen monkeys sleeping on the branches, whose arms and legs have hung

QUERY: prepositional phrase(with...) in D is an adverb but which is the verb that it modifies ? sleeping is NOT verb, we have only 2 verbs "have looked" & "have seen" both of which does not make sense as adverbial modifier,which must comply with subject & verb, does not comply with their subject -visitors
Here, sleeping serves an ADJECTIVE modifying monkeys.
An adverb can modify an adjective.
With arms and legs hanging serves as an ADVERB modifying the adjective sleeping.
HOW are the monkeys sleeping?
They are sleeping WITH ARMS AND LEGS HANGING LIKE SOCKS ON A CLOTHESLINE.
ohhh, i know that property but somehow failed to identify it here. may be it was because this question is first instance - that i have seen - where a comma+with modifier modifies an adjective.
1) have you seen other such instances ?
2) would like to confirm whether another adverbial modifier (comma+verb-ing) can modify adjectives (with examples if any)
3) doesn't it create ambiguity as to whether the adverbial modifier modifies subject+verb OR adjective. unlike pronoun ambiguity rule, are we supposed to go with one that makes sense with adverbial modifier
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by lunarpower » Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:09 pm
i want to offer a slightly different perspective here.
specifically, adverbs can modify forms derived from verbs, in the same way they would modify the verbs themselves.

consider the following example:
i basked lazily in the sun.
here, there is nothing out of the ordinary: the adverb lazily modifies the verb basked.

my point, though, is that you can use lazily to modify forms derived from the verb "to bask", even if those forms are not verbs themselves.
for instance, both of the following sentences are correct:
i wasted an entire day outside, basking lazily in the sun. (this example is just like the sentence you are asking about)
basking lazily in the sun is an incredibly fulfilling experience.

if you are thinking in strictly formal grammatical terms, you may find the last one problematic -- because, in that instance, basking is actually a noun, but is still modified by the adverb lazily.
on the other hand, if you just think of basking as a form derived from the verb to bask, then the situation can be easily understood in those terms.
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by patanjali.purpose » Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:04 am
Mitch / Ron,

Thanks for the insight.

Asset allocators create portfolios, often in the form of mutual funds, with the intention to turn in good results in both "bull" and "bear" markets (source: gmatprep)

In this above sentence WITH ...MARKETS is an adverbial modifier modifying CREATE

HOW are allocators creating portfolios?
They are creating portfolios WITH THE INTENTION TO TURN IN GOOD RESULTS.

Even then this sentence is wrong - could you share why so? Does it mean WITH ..MARKET is NOT AN ADVERBIAL MODIFIER here? Is there any exception rules?
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by vikram4689 » Sat Aug 18, 2012 9:29 am
here is ron's explanation for question you asked
(a) implies that the allocators themselves, not the portfolios, will turn in good results. that doesn't make sense.
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by patanjali.purpose » Sat Aug 18, 2012 9:57 am
vikram4689 wrote:here is ron's explanation for question you asked
(a) implies that the allocators themselves, not the portfolios, will turn in good results. that doesn't make sense.
https://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/ass ... tml#p20922
Thanks. I have seen before.

But the basic question that I have asked is if "WITH....MARKET" is a prepositional modifier then it will modify the verb CREATE (not the subject ALLOCATORS).

In such a case, how are we saying ALLOCATORS WILL TRUN IN GOOD RESULTS?
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by vikram4689 » Sat Aug 18, 2012 10:02 am
patanjali.purpose wrote:
vikram4689 wrote:here is ron's explanation for question you asked
(a) implies that the allocators themselves, not the portfolios, will turn in good results. that doesn't make sense.
https://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/ass ... tml#p20922
Thanks. I have seen before.

But the basic question that I have asked is if "WITH....MARKET" is a prepositional modifier then it will modify the verb CREATE (not the subject ALLOCATORS).

In such a case, how are we saying ALLOCATORS WILL TRUN IN GOOD RESULTS?
due to this very reason prepositional modifier is acting as adverbial modifier i.e. they modify verb but have to make sense with subject.
similar sentence - i teach my brother with the intention to get good marks - this is much simpler sentence and you would immediately recognize that something is wrong with this sentence. now actually wrong part is that sentence says i want to get good marks and not that i want my brother to get good marks (i hope i am able to explain the shift in meaning)
similarly the meaning is changed in option a)

i hope that explains !!
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by nailGmat2012 » Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:05 pm
Mitch / Ron,

Thanks for the insight.

Asset allocators create portfolios, often in the form of mutual funds, with the intention to turn in good results in both "bull" and "bear" markets (source: gmatprep)

In this above sentence WITH ...MARKETS is an adverbial modifier modifying CREATE

HOW are allocators creating portfolios?
They are creating portfolios WITH THE INTENTION TO TURN IN GOOD RESULTS.

Even then this sentence is wrong - could you share why so? Does it mean WITH ..MARKET is NOT AN ADVERBIAL MODIFIER here? Is there any exception rules?
I think ", with the intention to turn in good results" gives the impression that the creation process is intended to turn in good results where as it's the portfolios that are intended to turn in good results.
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by hjafferi » Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:33 am
My take on the question

IMO D

A) whose refers to branches also it should be " have seen"
B) should use "have seen"
C) should use "have seen"
D) correct answer
E) whose refers to branches
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by lunarpower » Tue Sep 04, 2012 4:24 am
vikram4689 wrote: similar sentence - i teach my brother with the intention to get good marks - this is much simpler sentence and you would immediately recognize that something is wrong with this sentence. now actually wrong part is that sentence says i want to get good marks and not that i want my brother to get good marks (i hope i am able to explain the shift in meaning)
similarly the meaning is changed in option a)

i hope that explains !!
this is pretty much accurate, yes.

there's also the point that "... the intention to turn in..." is not idiomatic; the correct form is "intention of VERBing", not "intention to VERB". however, such idioms are of only marginal importance on the current version of the gmat.
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